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The post is about efforts to delegitimize Israel. Also it's about efforts to uniquely strip Israel of the right to hold conquered land after the aggressors lose a war. ?
I have zero issues with holding 'conquered land' after aggressors lose a war.
By yourself.
All. By. Yourself.
Meddling that we have done has given us what? 9/11? The world's worst reputation? Constant worry of terror? Hatred from across the globe? I have to take my damn shoes off to get on a plane.
No. I don't support Israel. It was a terrible idea to begin with, it has cost us too much, and we need to leave that region the hell alone and let it stabilize itself. All this interference has been idiotic and cost us too much, INCLUDING the lives of american jews.
I have zero issues with holding 'conquered land' after aggressors lose a war.
By yourself.
All. By. Yourself.
Meddling that we have done has given us what? 9/11? The world's worst reputation? Constant worry of terror? Hatred from across the globe? I have to take my damn shoes off to get on a plane.
No. I don't support Israel. It was a terrible idea to begin with, it has cost us too much, and we need to leave that region the hell alone and let it stabilize itself. All this interference has been idiotic and cost us too much, INCLUDING the lives of american jews.
The only word you got completely correct was "Meddling"? No matter what the US does, it is seen as a "Paper Tiger". It has to be seen in the same light as Russia and China. Be like them; ruthless response, no media and leave. Instead the US acts like a naive nation who sticks it's nose where it doesn't belong. The US is still too young and still has not learned on how to do deal with Asia. European countries have learned that backdoor bribes in the Billions to strong Middle Eastern tribes basically keeps them in the clear. If Israel ceased to exist, there would be a party for a few days and then the Middle East would return to their tribal warfare and start their attacks on Christians. Lebanon will fall first. And if the US stops supporting Turkey and Egypt, they would fall soon afterwards.
Israel is simply a focal point for tribal groups within Middle Eastern countries. It is hated just for being Jewish. If it were Muslim and everything else were exactly the same, no one would care.
For 1900 years Jews were submissive in nearly every country they were in and simply went with the flow. WW2 came around and their submissiveness lead to 6 Million+ deaths. The Jews of today will no longer take a submissive role. The Jews of today have to fight as if their backs are to the wall. It's fight or die. Negotiations do not lead to bloodless wars, they lead to nothing. Israel has learned from Russia and China. Hit hard & fast.
The only word you got completely correct was "Meddling"? No matter what the US does, it is seen as a "Paper Tiger". It has to be seen in the same light as Russia and China. Be like them; ruthless response, no media and leave. Instead the US acts like a naive nation who sticks it's nose where it doesn't belong. The US is still too young and still has not learned on how to do deal with Asia. European countries have learned that backdoor bribes in the Billions to strong Middle Eastern tribes basically keeps them in the clear. If Israel ceased to exist, there would be a party for a few days and then the Middle East would return to their tribal warfare and start their attacks on Christians. Lebanon will fall first. And if the US stops supporting Turkey and Egypt, they would fall soon afterwards.
Israel is simply a focal point for tribal groups within Middle Eastern countries. It is hated just for being Jewish. If it were Muslim and everything else were exactly the same, no one would care.
For 1900 years Jews were submissive in nearly every country they were in and simply went with the flow. WW2 came around and their submissiveness lead to 6 Million+ deaths. The Jews of today will no longer take a submissive role. The Jews of today have to fight as if their backs are to the wall. It's fight or die. Negotiations do not lead to bloodless wars, they lead to nothing. Israel has learned from Russia and China. Hit hard & fast.
Not sure I disagree with anything you have said here.
Does not really explain why the U.S. should have any part in this anymore.
Not sure I disagree with anything you have said here. Does not really explain why the U.S. should have any part in this anymore.
A little history lesson. On June 6, 1944, in order to bring WW II to an end, American, British and Canadian forces landed on three or for beaches in Normandy. The death toll and casualty level was immense. That beachhead was absolutely necessary to winning the war conventionally. In early August 1945, motivated at least in part by the carnage at Normandy, the U.S. dropped a pair of atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, ending the war in Asia. In 1947-8 the U.S., in a muddy and incoherent manner supported Israeli independence.
The Middle East has for millennia been a war-torn and contested area. If the U.S. or other Western countries have to invade conventionally wouldn't a stable, reliable and allied beachhead be a big help?
The other problem that the West had in May 1945 forward was hundreds of thousands of European Jews, many barely surviving, in displaced persons camps. The Germans and Poles that had taken over/stolen their homes and businesses weren't going to be readmitted. So where were they going to go?
The Zionist activity early in the century actually brought in Arabs who wanted to work in a newly fertile and inhabitable land. The only trouble from the world's point of view is that the Jews did it. The world has had a tortured relationship with the Jewish people and faith since the days of the Pharaohs of Egypt. See David Nirenberg’s excellent book, Anti-Judaism: The Western Tradition, reviewed here in Tablet Magazine and here in the New Republic, about this relationship. He explains that much of the hatred was directed at theoretical Jews by people who had never met a real one.
But I digress. Israel is both beneficial and necessary.
Not sure I disagree with anything you have said here.
Does not really explain why the U.S. should have any part in this anymore.
Why? Think of the US as 50 small countries. The military from those 50 small countries can be amassed within days to add to the two Naval fleets already in the region. The EU can't, won't and doesn't. So the US ends up in the front each and every time while the EU is still in discussion about which coffee to serve in order to have a meeting. Thus the US is so entrenched that it can't simply pull out of anything, while European countries have never been can simply go home. The US shouldn't, but it has the decades old Superman image to keep up. The US is not sitting off the shores of Israel. It's sitting off the shores of Turkey and off the shores of Saudi Arabia.
As to Israel, the US has a ammunition storage facility in Israel and a listening station in Israel. What other nation would those be in relative safety other than Israel in the Middle East? Outside of a few skirmishes, Israel has been quiet since 1973. Every time one of these skirmishes pop up the media &UN blows it so out of proportion that it made Syria look like a slight disagreement. One just has to look at the UN and what subject it covers on a nearly daily basis (which is not Syria).
^Still not seeing any reasons for why The US should be involved at all. If anything, since the Middle East has been a war torn region for millennia history shows it will remain that way unfortunately. The best thing the US can do is cut all ties, leave and never return to the region again.
when we get involved, people say we should stay out. if we don't get involved, we get lectured that we should do more.
please stop arm chair quarterbacking. it's silly
I don't think anybody would be lecturing if our Government chose not to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
The largest terror attack in US history was committed by men from what is supposed to be one of our "greatest allies" over there-Saudi Arabia. That there just proves what a clusterfck our Government has created. The best course of action is to LEAVE and bring our troops home from that hell on Earth region, if we want any chance at all of preserving our nation.
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Israel is Both Beneficial and Necessary
