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Why should the feds fund abortions when they don't fund in vitro fertilization? Most private insurance companies don't pay for abortions and none pays for in vitro. It's because you're right -- reproductive decisions are private and, as such, should be paid for by the people deciding. If people need medical procedures to become pregnant or to end pregnancy, that's their decision and one they need to fund themselves.
You can't compare public works construction, which benefits the entire community, to ladies who want to abort, which has no affect on anyone but themselves and the fetuses.
Why should the feds fund abortions when they don't fund in vitro fertilization? Most private insurance companies don't pay for abortions and none pays for in vitro. It's because you're right -- reproductive decisions are private and, as such, should be paid for by the people deciding. If people need medical procedures to become pregnant or to end pregnancy, that's their decision and one they need to fund themselves.
You can't compare public works construction, which benefits the entire community, to ladies who want to abort, which has no affect on anyone but themselves and the fetuses.
that's where you're wrong... what insurances choose to cover or not cover doesn't fit the nessesary guidlines of providing health services... they are a business as well.. and pick and choose what type of health services they wish to cover.... and that is part of the agreement you make when you sign up.... as for public works construction... it is all relevent because it is all under the umbrella of social works... most people DO pay for it if they recieve an abortion.. the few that do use such public services are there because they lack health insurance period... and qualify because of being poor.. so because someone is poor they shouldn't be able to govern their reproduction processes? give me a break... there are people that don't OWN cars... yet their taxes go to massive highway projects... you forget what is entailed in living in a democracy... not everything you think should happen... is going to necessarily become law... if anything your taxes are going to provide health services and choices... what peopel choose to do with their choices are on their own heads... and is not any of your personal business...
just like it is none of my business how much you choose to use the highways and tear them up so my taxes have to pay for repairs every year...its there.. and we have the choice to use it or not....
I am a resident also, but born in Europe. When I see anti-choice billboards it just ticks me off, how dare people push their religious beliefs on the rest of us, that have different beliefs. And no, a fetus at 8 weeks is not the equivalent to a baby to me. It is a potential baby, but no more a baby than an egg is a chicken.
I don't need anyone to try and control my body. I am getting older and soon this won't be an issue to me, but I feel women should always have a choice. Those that don't believe in abortions aren't forced to have them....women have found ways to end pregnancy forever, nothing will ever stop it. The only thing that would change is that low income women would have more children (and then watch them all whine about having to pay welfare to support all these mothers with children) and the well to do women would leave the country or find a discreet doctor to do the procedure.
The pushier and more obnoxious these people get, the more determined I get to fight for choice.
The religious nuts in this country are really quite scary, something I never encountered to this degree while living in Germany.
Great post! I bolded a truth that many refuse to see.
I don't think R V. W will be overturned anytime soon...REAL people don't want it to be....Republicans have used it as a platform for years and as soon as they're elected they know better than to even try to get it overturned....something the people who vote for them fail to realize
It's so funny that the righties who CLAIM they don't want the government interfering in our lives WANT abortion made illegal. And, who knows, if this country gets any more Fascist, it may be made illegal.
But as far as I'm concerned a person who will never be desperate, poor and pregnant should have NO say in the matter.
Crazily enough, she WAS educated and intent on celebrating her sexual freedom! If abortion wasn't an option for this gal, I'm sure she would have changed her behavior after the first pregnancy. No way would she have risked having a bunch of kids -- she was way too self-centered.
I just don't get how some women think having abortions is somehow better than being responsible and not getting pregnant in the first place.
Ya, I just don't get how some men think having abortions is somehow better than being responsible and getting a vasectomy in the first place.
Has anyone "googled" just WHO gets abortions yet?
It isn't just poor, single , "irresponsible" women........
13% describe themselves as "born again christians".
27% are Catlicks.
67% say they want to wait to have children until they are financially able to care for them (the financial responsibility so many scream about others not having).
And back to the billboard -- they're great if they save even one life. If one woman doesn't make the mistake of thinking her only choice is to kill her own baby -- then how can anyone complain about the signs?
Your religious opinion. Not mine by any stretch of the imagination.
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Yes -- that's how it seems. The thing is -- the billboards actually have changed some women's minds about having their baby killed and they realize there are other options. And years later -- how many women whose children were not killed are really sorry about them having their lives?
Do you have any data on this? Or wishful thinking?
When you get down to it, it’s not pro-life, it’s anti-choice. How many people who vote anti-choice are also pro-death penalty? Pro “kill the person who is breaking into my house?”
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What I dont like is my taxes paying for obortions..Wheres my vote in that!!
Do you mind paying for welfare? (Not in every case, but in some).
What do you think of insurance companies paying for Viagra but not female birth control?
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Well except the 20,000,000 plus babies that have been aborted since Roe V. Wade.
And how many women died by back alley abortions before they became legal and clean? You think making it illegal will stop women from having abortions? It will just cause more pain to people with “back alley” procedures.
BTW, have any of you pro-life people adopted any babies?
I have a strong feeling the majority of the people posting on this forum are responsible, and are not the ones getting knocked up and spewing kids out.
Please provide significant data that any woman is "spewing out kids" ... not the use of one or two examples to underline "many".
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Why should the feds fund abortions when they don't fund in vitro fertilization? Most private insurance companies don't pay for abortions and none pays for in vitro. It's because you're right -- reproductive decisions are private and, as such, should be paid for by the people deciding. If people need medical procedures to become pregnant or to end pregnancy, that's their decision and one they need to fund themselves.
So now you’re saying that reproductive decisions are PRIVATE and that you just don’t want to foot the bill.
Ever see unwanted kids? They’re the criminals breaking into your house, they’re the kids hanging on the corner getting into trouble because no one takes an interest in them. How much money is spent on jails and detention centers, therapy, rehabilitation? What about the cost to society of gangs and drug addiction and alcoholism? $200 at the onset or megathousands later on, fiscally you should be looking at the big picture.
I think that "pro life (actually anti-choice) billboard advertising should be countered by a billboard the says, "The useless creep of a boyfriend got you knocked up? Here is where you can get a cheap legal abortion.” It should also say, “We can also help you get control of your life and dump the creep. You don’t need him to be happy.”
Guys, consider that if she actually wants to have your kids, she will. If she does not, you have absolutely no right to use the law to coerce her into carrying the fetus to term. No right whatsoever. This argument has very little to do with the fetuses but a lot to do with controlling female right to their own bodies by a society dominated by insecure males that have to coerce women into having their children. The argument is about the establishment and use of coercion and power. In other words, Tyranny! Nothing else.
I am a resident also, but born in Europe. When I see anti-choice billboards it just ticks me off, how dare people push their religious beliefs on the rest of us, that have different beliefs. And no, a fetus at 8 weeks is not the equivalent to a baby to me. It is a potential baby, but no more a baby than an egg is a chicken.
I don't need anyone to try and control my body. I am getting older and soon this won't be an issue to me, but I feel women should always have a choice. Those that don't believe in abortions aren't forced to have them....women have found ways to end pregnancy forever, nothing will ever stop it. The only thing that would change is that low income women would have more children (and then watch them all whine about having to pay welfare to support all these mothers with children) and the well to do women would leave the country or find a discreet doctor to do the procedure.
The pushier and more obnoxious these people get, the more determined I get to fight for choice.
The religious nuts in this country are really quite scary, something I never encountered to this degree while living in Germany.
How dare people call people evil names for broadcasting thier belief in thier own way, typically on their own property. Thats a problem for me, all the God haters can say foul evil things when they give their opinion on a subject with impunity but if I as a Christian did something similer I would have the ACLU on my back. The right to put up those signs are garrenteed by the Constitution.
Beside when RvsW is overturned The S.C will return that decision to the State and ( as mentioned) the voters of that State can make the decision. That way none of my Federal tax money will go to the murder of innocent lives..................
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