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Old 09-21-2015, 07:24 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Who pays for all this "private education"?
So if it's funded by tax payers and it's open to all students, that makes it....... Public Education

Or did I miss something ?
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Old 09-21-2015, 07:26 PM
 
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The better private schools are pricey for a reason. The children of the rich are being kept apart from the average. Is it fair? No, but it will continue. If charter schools become the norm, these elitists will find a way to keep their children in their ivory towers.

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Old 09-21-2015, 07:28 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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So if it's funded by tax payers and it's open to all students, that makes it....... Public Education

Or did I miss something ?

You didn't miss anything. Someone else has, though.
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Old 09-21-2015, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The better private school are pricey for a reason. The children of the rich are being kept apart from the average. Is it fair? No, but it will continue. If charter schools become the norm, these elitists will find a way to keep their children in their ivory towers.
In a good private school you are paying for the peer group.
Preselected group of kids from families who expect high performance.

This drives the cohort to perform better.

It's not like they have magic textbooks with secret knowledge. They just are giving you a more competitive, high performance environment not geared to the slowest student.

How exactly is that "unfair"?
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Old 09-21-2015, 07:57 PM
 
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Money makes things unfair. Not every kid is born with a silver spoon. Also, charter schools won't fix this problem. It hasn't so far in the areas it is being tried.
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Old 09-21-2015, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Money makes things unfair. Not every kid is born with a silver spoon. Also, charter schools won't fix this problem. It hasn't so far in the areas it is being tried.
So...no one should be able to pay for a superior product bc they have more money.

Ok.

Makes sense.

Actually, it isn't even a superior product. Private schools are not inherently better. The OTHER STUDENTS are better. So no one should be able to augment their environment to avoid disruptive influences? Da fuh?
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Old 09-21-2015, 08:22 PM
 
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So...no one should be able to pay for a superior product bc they have more money.

Ok.

Makes sense.

Actually, it isn't even a superior product. Private schools are not inherently better. The OTHER STUDENTS are better. So no one should be able to augment their environment to avoid disruptive influences? Da fuh?
I didn't say they shouldn't do it. I am just stating facts. It will never be the same education no matter what because not everyone has the same resources. Children can't help the fact that they are born to rich parents or poor parents.
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Old 09-21-2015, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Japan
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You've got this just about 100% wrong. If people are poor then, by definition, they are people who can't afford private schools. So that isn't even an option for the vast majority. Only in special circumstances where private benifactors are involved could they attend schools not funded by government.

And what makes you think the public schools do a terrible job for them? American minorities actually do pretty well in international assessments. Blacks do better than most non-American blacks. American Hispanics out perform non-American Hispanics. Asian Americans do better than just about anybody. There is no evidence that public schools are failing with minorities.

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As the title states. The public education system has been a disaster for poor communities of minorities. The public schools in these communities are terrible, with very little educating going on in them. And this should be expected. Because honestly speaking, why should the government really care about educating black kids in the first place? Who cares if they know algebra, social studies, literature, etc. The public education system has kept the standard low for these people. And it will always do so in the foreseeable future.

Enter the private education system. Now let's take a black entrepreneur who became successful. he sees the need for children to be educated, and he opens up his own private school. He as an individual sees the gaps in the educational system, and talks to others interested in the community about the best curriculum. He also hires decent educators who implement their own teach programs specific to these children. And in terms of affordability? He obviously has to adjust prices to make his school affordable while still maintaining a great quality education. But let's say his school fills up. A second educator comes and opens up another school in the community. This educator could have crappy education, but then that school couldn't compete with the existing school. So this school education has to be just as good if not better, but also has to be more affordable. The result? Competition, with the metric of good education and affordable prices.

So it seems that private education is a win win for these poor black communities. Perhaps we should try it.
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Old 09-21-2015, 09:58 PM
 
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The better private schools are pricey for a reason. The children of the rich are being kept apart from the average. Is it fair? No, but it will continue. If charter schools become the norm, these elitists will find a way to keep their children in their ivory towers.
Why isn't it fair?

What makes them elitists?

Some parents sacrifice a lot to be able to afford private school tuition for their children. Some don't have to sacrifice a thing.

It doesn't make the ones who don't "elitists".

Rich, poor or "average"; parents who value education will make sure their child does too.
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Old 09-21-2015, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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You've got this just about 100% wrong. If people are poor then, by definition, they are people who can't afford private schools. So that isn't even an option for the vast majority. Only in special circumstances where private benifactors are involved could they attend schools not funded by government.
Affordable private schools is a market. Just one that hasn't been explored yet. But from a business perspective it's more than practical

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And what makes you think the public schools do a terrible job for them? American minorities actually do pretty well in international assessments. Blacks do better than most non-American blacks. American Hispanics out perform non-American Hispanics. Asian Americans do better than just about anybody. There is no evidence that public schools are failing with minorities.

Asian Americans are on average middle class or upper middle class. So that's a huge reason for it. They're almost always in optimal school districts due to the average income of asians. As far as why asians have higher than average incomes. Well most of them come to the USA as STEM students in post-graduate studies. So they come here with a much bigger advantage than the average black or hispanic kid.

I hate this comparison, it's apples to oranges.
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