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Old 09-24-2015, 02:00 PM
 
Location: CO
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Your threshold is far too high. The vast majority of American laws are never tested in court.
Your comprehension is far too low. The vast majority of American laws are never based solely on speeches.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:03 PM
 
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What moral authority did he espouse?

So what if liberals, and non-liberals, like what the Pope has to say? What's religious about it?

I think the problem you are having is an inability to separate the message from the messenger.

The Pope is a religious leader. But not everything he says is religious. He's actually a person, too. When he eats an empanada, that doesn't make the empanada into a holy meal. When he talks about global warming, that doesn't make global warming a religious issue. Part of his message may be religious in nature, and part of it may not be. Just like when you sit down with someone from the Westboro Church, and discuss the merits of Ford versus Chevy. It's not a religious discussion because they attend a church.
I'm glad you asked. The Pope's moral authority is implied by virtue of his position and stature in the world. Democrats have been very quick to co-opt that moral authority in attempt to legitimize their agenda. This is indisputable.

As a result, there is no conflating the "message" and the "messenger." Your attempt to somehow liken the Pope's words to a casual breakroom discussion is not only dishonest, it completely ignores the fact that the "message" being pushed by the "messenger" are the very policies that Democrats are planning to capitalize on.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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Your comprehension is far too low. The vast majority of American laws are never based solely on speeches.
Completely irrelevant to the point.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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But laws that aren't Constitutional are the most likely to be tested in court.
Understood, but not relevant to the point.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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Your threshold is far too high. The vast majority of American laws are never tested in court.
A smell test: the consideration whether or not a piece of legislation is constitutional or not is in the bloody mind of every bill author or co-sponsor.

Concepts that you should learn; complexity and nuance.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:06 PM
 
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Completely irrelevant to the point.
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Understood, but not relevant to the point.
Quite relevant see my post above concerning concepts you need to learn.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:07 PM
 
Location: CO
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Completely irrelevant to the point.
It was your point.

So you're right -- your point is completely irrelevant.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:08 PM
 
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I'm glad you asked. The Pope's moral authority is implied by virtue of his position and stature in the world. Democrats have been very quick to co-opt that moral authority in attempt to legitimize their agenda. This is indisputable.

As a result, there is no conflating the "message" and the "messenger." Your attempt to somehow liken the Pope's words to a casual breakroom discussion is not only dishonest, it completely ignores the fact that the "message" being pushed by the "messenger" are the very policies that Democrats are planning to capitalize on.
So the Pope didn't invoke any moral authority.

As for your indisputable, I do dispute it. Prove it. How have the Democrats co-opted the Pope's moral authority to legitimize their agenda? Why would they need to? Isn't their agenda legitimate already?

I'm not likening the Pope's words to a breakroom discussion. Your saying that I did so is dishonest.

And if the Pope's message happens to coincide with the Democrat's proposals, so what? It was the Republican Speaker of the House who invited the Pope to speak. Not a Democratic Speaker of the House. Sounds like your issue is with the Speaker of the House. Perhaps you should start a thread about him.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:08 PM
 
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A smell test: the consideration whether or not a piece of legislation is constitutional or not is in the bloody mind of every bill author or co-sponsor.

Concepts that you should learn; complexity and nuance.
You put far too much faith in the intellect of your elected leaders. Besides, the number of laws that are ultimately struck down as unconstitutional does not bare out your claim.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:09 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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he was invited- and he is world leader- of sorts- so don't get your panties in a wad- he will leave and business as usual. those money hungry bubble heads will go on - doing the same self servings things as before.

But he is a religious leader, nothing besides. This country has a very clear separation between religion and state. Any religious leader should not be addressing congress.

If lawmakers are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or Atheist I do not really care so long as ANY of those beliefs or non beliefs do not interfere with public law or decision making. On a personal level I kinda like the Pope as he is probably the most progressive Pope in history, but he is also the most influential religious leader on earth and has NO place in congress.
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