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Old 10-06-2015, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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If the NRA doesn't come up with a practical solution (an armed guard in every school room, store, mall, theater, hair salon, sporting event, gym, public pool, etc.... is not a practical solution), a few more shootings like the Oregon one and new laws will be inevitable.

Instead of catchy slogans and memes, the NRA best come up with some solutions and fast!
Looking for someone else to solve your problems again? Liberal policies create or contribute to the problem so why don't YOU try coming up with a real solution? Maybe start with something crazy like enforcing existing laws? Stop plea bargaining with habitual felons? You know, try something no liberal has tried before.
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Old 10-06-2015, 11:13 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Looking for someone else to solve your problems again? Liberal policies create or contribute to the problem so why don't YOU try coming up with a real solution? Maybe start with something crazy like enforcing existing laws? Stop plea bargaining with habitual felons? You know, try something no liberal has tried before.
I'm sorry but the war on drugs and tough punishment is the conservative schtick.
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Old 10-07-2015, 04:14 AM
 
Location: Punta Gorda, FL
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many states, like arizona, require that when transferring a firearm from one individual to another, that both individuals go down to a licensed FFL and have the paperwork and background check done. the cost is $15 to do this, and takes just a few minutes.

but here is the problem with this, there are people who sell their legally owned guns to others and IGNORE THAT LAW. so now what do you have?
What you have is someone who still has his or her name attached to that gun they sold. If that gun is used in a crime and police find the gun, they get to go back to that owner who failed to register the transference of ownership and prosecute the owner.

There needs to be consequences to ignoring the law (if there was one in place). So if a law is passed requiring the transfer of ownership to be documented and registered, there would be a trail of ownership right down to the last person who owns it, until the law is broken. Anyone breaking the law can be prosecuted. There would also have to be requirements in place to verify the new owner can legally own a gun.

Sure, if a law-abiding gun owner unknowingly sells to a criminal, or soon-to-be-criminal, that gun could be used in a crime. Nothing is perfect. But at least there would be measures in place that would require gun owners be responsible for the legal transference of ownership. Once you legally transfer ownership, you cannot be prosecuted for any crimes related to that gun. But if you fail to follow such a law, you might find yourself in hot water.

This is certainly better than what we have today.
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Old 10-07-2015, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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The idea if stricter gun laws would not eliminate all of these shootings, but it would likely reduce their occurrence, and that's more than gun nuts have put forth for ideas on how to curb the violence.

Their only idea is to arm everyone. Plenty of people should never handle a gun, and many don't want to, and their safety should not depend on whether or not they train with and always carry a gun with them.
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Old 10-07-2015, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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If the NRA doesn't come up with a practical solution (an armed guard in every school room, store, mall, theater, hair salon, sporting event, gym, public pool, etc.... is not a practical solution), a few more shootings like the Oregon one and new laws will be inevitable.

Instead of catchy slogans and memes, the NRA best come up with some solutions and fast!
Do you honestly believe it will take a few more shootings before anything is done? Nothing will be done, ever. The shooting at Sandy Hook proved the American people and the government have become numb to the idea of kids being gunned down. We've accepted it as the norm, and now things will likely never change.
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Old 10-07-2015, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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The idea if stricter gun laws would not eliminate all of these shootings, but it would likely reduce their occurrence, and that's more than gun nuts have put forth for ideas on how to curb the violence.

Their only idea is to arm everyone. Plenty of people should never handle a gun, and many don't want to, and their safety should not depend on whether or not they train with and always carry a gun with them.
Nobody has said that they want to "arm everybody". What we have said is that sending our children to an institution where responsible adults are not allowed to carry a firearm if they wish to take the responsibility to do so and then advertising that said institution is gun free is nothing short of stupidity.

We've turned our schools into hunting preserves for the criminally insane, and the only solution that the anti-gun crowd can come up with is to further erode the ability of law-abiding citizens to defend themselves and our children while ignoring the fact that criminals, or those bent on becoming criminals, could care less about what law you pass. Gun free zones have resulted in even more mass shootings than we were dealing with before that idiotic law was passed, and ya'll want to double down on the stupidity.

There actually is a solution that will curb the violence, but it has nothing to do with passing laws so the left doesn't want to hear it. The solution is as follows:

1) Stop encouraging single parenthood. Children need role models on both sides of the gender line in order to develop properly. It doesn't matter if their male role model is an uncle, a grandparent, a teacher, or a family friend but they need something. Single mothers, especially those who are working 2 and 3 jobs to keep the lights on and put food on the table, can't properly focus on raising their children. Btw, this goes for single fathers as well. Again, children need role models on BOTH sides of the gender line.

2) Start encouraging the teaching of personal responsibility. The 90's and early 00's destroyed an entire generation with the "everybody gets a trophy" mentality. In the real world, you don't get recognition for showing up, you get recognition for exceeding expectations. Stop the namby pamby crap of encouraging mediocrity.

Those two things would go a long way toward stopping the kind of crazy that we've seen out of people like Adam Lanza and other shooters. But again, this goes against the liberal ideology of passing more and more laws so that they can feel good about themselves and so will probably be ignored or ridiculed.
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Old 10-07-2015, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Do you honestly believe it will take a few more shootings before anything is done? Nothing will be done, ever. The shooting at Sandy Hook proved the American people and the government have become numb to the idea of kids being gunned down. We've accepted it as the norm, and now things will likely never change.
We aren't numb, we're at a standstill because the 2 sides won't honestly address the core problems that lead to these situations. The left wants to pass feel good laws that would have zero or negative effect, while the right gets hung up on the 2nd Amendment to the point that the conversation stalls. Every single gun control law that has been passed in the past 20 years has been completely ineffective at stopping these kinds of incidents. Every. Single. One. Personally, I'd prefer to actually address the issue of family values, personal responsibility, and education rather than pass any more laws that aren't going to do a bit of good.
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Old 10-07-2015, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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We aren't numb, we're at a standstill because the 2 sides won't honestly address the core problems that lead to these situations. The left wants to pass feel good laws that would have zero or negative effect, while the right gets hung up on the 2nd Amendment to the point that the conversation stalls. Every single gun control law that has been passed in the past 20 years has been completely ineffective at stopping these kinds of incidents. Every. Single. One. Personally, I'd prefer to actually address the issue of family values, personal responsibility, and education rather than pass any more laws that aren't going to do a bit of good.
And how does a government start enforcing "family values" and "personal responsibility" in av effort to curb violence? Should we make everyone aspire to be the family of Leave it to Beaver?
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Old 10-07-2015, 06:31 AM
 
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The idea if stricter gun laws would not eliminate all of these shootings, but it would likely reduce their occurrence, and that's more than gun nuts have put forth for ideas on how to curb the violence.

Their only idea is to arm everyone. Plenty of people should never handle a gun, and many don't want to, and their safety should not depend on whether or not they train with and always carry a gun with them.
dream on. you can put stricter gun laws into place, but the only thing you do is disarm law abiding citizens, so how does that stop someone who is bent on killing as many people as possible?

and as i have said before, if i were going to commit mass murder, i certainly would not use a firearm anyway. too many issues with doing that, including having weapons jam at the wrong time. far easier would be to build a large truck bomb, and couple it with a chemical weapon of some kind, and set it off in a busy downtown area. remember the oaklahoma city bombing in 1995? timothy mcveigh used a truck bomb to kill 168 people. had he added a chemical weapon component as well, he could have killed even more people.

not only did he kill 168 people, he destroyed a building as well, and all without a firearm.
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Old 10-07-2015, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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And how does a government start enforcing "family values" and "personal responsibility" in av effort to curb violence? Should we make everyone aspire to be the family of Leave it to Beaver?
Sigh.....

It isn't up to the government. It is up to us, as a society, to work toward a better future.

Your statement highlights the difference between the left and the right. Your immediate go-to question was about how the government could fix things. They can't, as has been proven over and over again. There is no law that will stop violence. There is no magic wand.
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