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What a bunch of baloney......Hawaii was NEVER stolen. Many residents of Hawaii didn't want a monarchy anymore....its not like the monarchy was a democratic government, it wasn't. It got to power with violence against other tribes. Go read how Kamehameha who they called "Kamehameda the Great" conquered all the Hawaiian islands and formed a monarchy that was NEVER democratic.
The fact is the legal residents of Hawaii voted for Statehood with 93% approval of the votes in 1959, the highest voter turnout in Hawaii election history. Hawaii is a U.S. state under full jurisdiction of the U.S. Constitution and whatever they do with this so call referendum it can't violate U.S. constitution.
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Originally Posted by Kawena
how can an American vote on a non american issue?
Cause Hawaii is a state and Americans live there, and people born in Hawaii are americans regardless of their parentage. And voting to seceed from the US is an American issue.
If you kick out all the haloes, then what? Who's gonna defend you, eat your luau food, sail on your tourist boats? Buy your condos? In two years without us yall'l be speakin Japaneese, or chineese or one o them 'eeses...
come on educate me......so the LEGAL RESIDENTS of Hawaii shouldn't have a voice or vote about the political system of Hawaii unless they are "Native"?
so any immigrant and their children and grandchildren that have come to the U.S.A. shouldn't have a vote and voice about what kind of government they want because they are not the original "natives"?
please educate me,,,, didn't 93% of ALL LEGAL residents of Hawaii of all colors and races voted to be a U.S. STATE?.....How is that stealing Hawaii???? tell me when did the Monarchy in Hawaii who was ruled by a family ruled by democratic means?
please educate me........when does a minority dictates to a majority?
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Right now, the US is having a hard time hiding the fact the Hawaii is illegally occupied. The lawful document have been brought forth to show the illegal occupation. Thus they have been eager to put something foward as to form of Hawaiian Gov. to legitimize the US presents in the island. Like in many other parts across the world the US puts a puppet in only to decimate the country.
every treaty any Native American tribe had sign with the US was messed up IMOP. why did they have to sign anything if everything belonged to them? After doing so they still got it in the arshe...
Hawaii never signed off.... so the US has no claim. when looking at it at a legal and constituional prospective, Hawaii is Occupied.
is this the education you got and want to teach me?
this was settled for good in 1959 when 93% of all legal residents of Hawaii accepted Statehood....it was the biggest voter turnout on Hawaii's history.
Ironically, if they re-establish the monarchy, the Hawaiians becomes subjects of the sovereign.
If they had merely kept the republican form, the individual Hawaiians would retain their sovereignty.
Lose - lose.
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“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are SOVEREIGNS WITHOUT SUBJECTS, and have none to govern but themselves.
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns."
- - - Justice John Jay in Chisholm v. Georgia (2 U.S. 419 (1793))
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