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now tell me something i dont know. i said we dont need the 2700 pages of law and 22,000+ pages of regulations that obamacare gave us. it could have been achieved with far less law and regulation, and it would have been far less expensive as well.
now tell me something i dont know. i said we dont need the 2700 pages of law and 22,000+ pages of regulations that obamacare gave us. it could have been achieved with far less law and regulation, and it would have been far less expensive as well.
How would fewer pages of regulations have resulted in lower cost? I am not following this at all. At least point to specific regulations that could have or should have been omitted, then we will have a basis for a discussion
So our "private sector" broken system is better than universal healthcare?
And who do you think is going to pay for true universal healthcare? The fact is that since unlike Europe we are an integrated society we have a larger underclass. We can't afford the fiscal burden.
And who do you think is going to pay for true universal healthcare? The fact is that since unlike Europe we are an integrated society we have a larger underclass. We can't afford the fiscal burden.
We can spend trillions of dollars waging war and building up other countries infrastructure making them more dependent on us or we can spend trillions of dollars right here at home making life better for our own citizens. Which one is it going to be?
And who do you think is going to pay for true universal healthcare? The fact is that since unlike Europe we are an integrated society we have a larger underclass. We can't afford the fiscal burden.
Good lord; that's the reason you can't afford universal healthcare but can seemingly afford $750.00 per pill for Daraprim?
now tell me something i dont know. i said we dont need the 2700 pages of law and 22,000+ pages of regulations that obamacare gave us. it could have been achieved with far less law and regulation, and it would have been far less expensive as well.
Life is complicated and all the regulations needed do not fit on the back of an envelope. It's really not about how many pages it uses. It's about what it does, which is good.
And who do you think is going to pay for true universal healthcare? The fact is that since unlike Europe we are an integrated society we have a larger underclass. We can't afford the fiscal burden.
Two incorrect points above. First, 1820 Europe may not have been so diverse but that's not true in 2015. Second, Western Europe spends much more on social welfare programs than the U.S. Graph
And who do you think is going to pay for true universal healthcare? The fact is that since unlike Europe we are an integrated society we have a larger underclass. We can't afford the fiscal burden.
We can spend trillions of dollars waging war and building up other countries infrastructure making them more dependent on us or we can spend trillions of dollars right here at home making life better for our own citizens. Which one is it going to be?
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And who do you think is going to pay for true universal healthcare? The fact is that since unlike Europe we are an integrated society we have a larger underclass. We can't afford the fiscal burden.
Two incorrect points above. First, 1820 Europe may not have been so diverse but that's not true in 2015. Second, Western Europe spends much more on social welfare programs than the U.S. Graph
I am responding to both of you together since you are basically making the same point(s).
I forgot to mention in my post that we're paying for almost all of Europe's and Canada's defense. That's how they can afford (if they can afford, that is) to be so generous. Greece's travails may show the limits of their wallets. If the U.S. did what you suggest and not "spend trillions of dollars waging war and building up other countries infrastructure" Europe would have a very hard time sustaining their "generosity." Basically the U.S. is throwing a party for which the U.S. is not appreciated.
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Good lord; that's the reason you can't afford universal healthcare but can seemingly afford $750.00 per pill for Daraprim?
That price was rolled back, I believe, though there are rumors to the contrary. And the fact that the manufacturer even tried to push it through is a testament to the impact of third-party payments.
I am responding to both of you together since you are basically making the same point(s).
I forgot to mention in my post that we're paying for almost all of Europe's and Canada's defense. That's how they can afford (if they can afford, that is) to be so generous. Greece's travails may show the limits of their wallets. If the U.S. did what you suggest and not "spend trillions of dollars waging war and building up other countries infrastructure" Europe would have a very hard time sustaining their "generosity." Basically the U.S. is throwing a party for which the U.S. is not appreciated.
That price was rolled back, I believe, though there are rumors to the contrary. And the fact that the manufacturer even tried to push it through is a testament to the impact of third-party payments.
Yeah; that dog won't hunt. The U.S. protects only one thing......it's own special interests and it's ability to project itself around the world.
Probably a shock to realize Shkreli lied, eh? Imagine that.
And who do you think is going to pay for true universal healthcare? The fact is that since unlike Europe we are an integrated society we have a larger underclass. We can't afford the fiscal burden.
Want to know how wrong you are? Your argument is 100% the opposite of reality. We can't afford the burden of our current profit dominated system.
17.1% of our GDP goes towards healthcare. And not all of us receive it. Canada? 10.9%. The UK? 9.1%. And keep in mind our GDP per person is much much higher then those countries.
We cant afford the fiscal burden of NOT doing it.
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