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These refugees and national parks were created to protect diminishing resources for the country, wildlife refugees are there to protect many species no just birds. The world has changed and what these ranchers did previously is changing quite a bit in the last century, the population increased, open space is disappearing along with wildlife and that effects everyone throughout the US not just these ranchers.
I still don't know what they want specifically, Hammonds aside, do they want the wildlife refuge closed and opened to ranchers, do they want more land to graze on or do they want no restrictions at all on federal land.
Open space in the way of parks is highly valued on the east coast and other places with dense populations, closing a wildlife refugee or park would be unthinkable. Seems to me they just want to let people have their way with the land and they don't want any government intervention, I don't see that working well for anyone but themselves.
The wildlife refugee (assuming that is the issue) didn't seem to be a problem in 1902, why do they take issue now.
Ranchers had free reign over most the land West of the Mississippi for many years. They felt entitled to it all, hence the Homestead wars of the last centuries. Homesteaders who put up barbed wire on the land the government gave them were shot by ranchers, including women and children.
Barbed wire was invented just to keep the ranchers cattle of private property. Before the wire, the cattle roamed free.
This is just the 21st century manifestation of that same conflict. Only now the ranchers are going after public lands which currently belong to you and me. More specifically, all of us. they want it for themselves.
Ranchers had free reign over most the land West of the Mississippi for many years. They felt entitled to it all, hence the Homestead wars of the last centuries. Homesteaders who put up barbed wire on the land the government gave them were shot by ranchers, including women and children.
Barbed wire was invented just to keep the ranchers cattle of private property. Before the wire, the cattle roamed free.
This is just the 21st century manifestation of that same conflict. Only now the ranchers are going after public lands which currently belong to you and me. More specifically, all of us. they want it for themselves.
In Oregon, your remark in bold, there has been a push for decades for the federal government to give up lands. The federal government has control of 53% of Oregon lands, that is a little over 52,000 square miles of land that is taken out of the counties tax roles. Over 12 million acres of land are managed by the USFS and due to the limited timber harvest on these properties the forest have become tender boxes just waiting for the right time and conditions to explode into wildfires. The people of Oregon would rather see the Oregon State Forestry take over management of these lands.
In just Oregon alone, the federal government owns more land that all the federal lands combined east of the Mississippi River.
You tell me why a large percentage of the western states has to be set aside for everyone's enjoyment and very little of the eastern states land are set aside for everyone's enjoyment.
Actually they just went and turned themselves in and consented to the judges wishes.
Bundy is in it for the principal now.
If you don't make a stand, you will fall for anything.
I support people taking a stand.......I'm just saying that many are finding one "guilty" of the actions of the other even though they are two different scenario's.
"All blacks are criminals because some are" sort of thing going on here.
The fed guv should divest itself of any land not occupied by a government building that is required to perform its constituional duties.
If there is such a thing as public land, can someone explain why when there is a govt shutdown, armed guards are posted to prohibit entry by said public?
The fed guv should divest itself of any land not occupied by a government building that is required to perform its constituional duties.
If there is such a thing as public land, can someone explain why when there is a govt shutdown, armed guards are posted to prohibit entry by said public?
In Oregon, your remark in bold, there has been a push for decades for the federal government to give up lands. The federal government has control of 53% of Oregon lands, that is a little over 52,000 square miles of land that is taken out of the counties tax roles. Over 12 million acres of land are managed by the USFS and due to the limited timber harvest on these properties the forest have become tender boxes just waiting for the right time and conditions to explode into wildfires. The people of Oregon would rather see the Oregon State Forestry take over management of these lands.
In just Oregon alone, the federal government owns more land that all the federal lands combined east of the Mississippi River.
You tell me why a large percentage of the western states has to be set aside for everyone's enjoyment and very little of the eastern states land are set aside for everyone's enjoyment.
Look, thanks for the impressive stats. But bottom line, the American people, represented by our government, are not going to turn over our lands to a bunch of special interests. Be it ranchers, farmers or anybody else. We will continue to protect if from exploitation for our children, our grandchildren and our children's children and the wildlife who desperately need it for their survival. Ranchers and loggers have historically proven that they are not the best caretakers of the land as profit and exploitation trump wildlife and preservation due to the bottom line.
Now give me examples of the good ranchers who don't kill all wolves on sight. Who don't slaughter wild herds to preserve grazing land for their livestock who care about ground nesting birds, who don't poison prairie dog colonies to keep their livestock from breaking legs.
The area we are talking about is mostly a marshland used by migratory birds for feed and rest. It is critical to their survival. these birds come from the Alaskan Tundra and migrate to the Gulf of Mexico and South America, every year. The Oregon stopovers are a critical necessity. Even T. R. realized that. Your ranchers would destroy that all in the name of profit.
Oh, and the reason there is so much more land locked up west of the Mississippi than east is we know better now. Not only did we cut down all the forests, kill all the wildlife but forcably removed all the prior inhabitants of the lands east of the Mississippi.
We like to think were more enlightened today.
The fed guv should divest itself of any land not occupied by a government building that is required to perform its constituional duties.
If there is such a thing as public land, can someone explain why when there is a govt shutdown, armed guards are posted to prohibit entry by said public?
Political pandering and posturing. The GAO confirmed this after the last shutdown.
Look, thanks for the impressive stats. But bottom line, the American people, represented by our government, are not going to turn over our lands to a bunch of special interests. Be it ranchers, farmers or anybody else. We will continue to protect if from exploitation for our children, our grandchildren and our children's children and the wildlife who desperately need it for their survival. Ranchers and loggers have historically proven that they are not the best caretakers of the land as profit and exploitation trump wildlife and preservation due to the bottom line.
Now give me examples of the good ranchers who don't kill all wolves on sight. Who don't slaughter wild herds to preserve grazing land for their livestock who care about ground nesting birds, who don't poison prairie dog colonies to keep their livestock from breaking legs.
Who don't spill millions of gallons of toxic waste into our rivers?
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