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Old 02-17-2016, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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So what happens if the case goes all the way to SCOTUS and they tell Apple to comply with the lower court order and Apple refuses?

Why, except is a few cases of National Security, does anyone need to encrypt their smart phones.
So that if someone steals your phone the thieve cannot empty your bank accounts? Or easily steal your identity? Or even publish that risque picture of your girl friend on line?

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Old 02-17-2016, 11:07 AM
 
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I see that Donald Trump has weighed in on this issue, and he is against Apple:


Trump slams Apple resistance in San Bernardino case - UPI.com


Will Trump supporters be aghast? Will they support his position? Or will those Trump supporters inhabiting this thread change their previously held opinions?


We shall see.
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Even if the SC orders apple to do something it will have to place resources to do. Apple can still say NO.
Why is that?
Because they can.

Government will have to use the business end of a gun, to force compliance.
Then Apple will fully understand why We the People, have a 2nd Amendment.
They are appealing, the courts will decide but here you are back to guns, give it a break Charlton Heston.
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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is the stance here that dead terrorists have rights just like corporations are people?
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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I see that Donald Trump has weighed in on this issue, and he is against Apple:


Trump slams Apple resistance in San Bernardino case - UPI.com


Will Trump supporters be aghast? Will they support his position? Or will those Trump supporters inhabiting this thread change their previously held opinions?


We shall see.
I'm not necessarily a Trump supporter, but if the implication here is that you should only vote for someone if you agree with 100% of what they say, then come election day we would have 300 million write in votes and a 300 million one way tie for the winner of the election.
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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is the stance here that dead terrorists have rights just like corporations are people?
Nope, but I'll definitely take the stance that one terrorist attack should in no way shape or form create an environment where the government now has a special ability to invade my privacy, nor should it require a public company to knowingly build a security venerability into their product.
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:22 AM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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is the stance here that dead terrorists have rights just like corporations are people?
No, I think the stance is ANY AMERICAN have privacy rights.
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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Nope, but I'll definitely take the stance that one terrorist attack should in no way shape or form create an environment where the government now has a special ability to invade my privacy, nor should it require a public company to knowingly build a security venerability into their product.
what do dead people who murdered innocent people in cold blood need protection from?
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:34 AM
 
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what do dead people who murdered innocent people in cold blood need protection from?
"Opening the door" for this one terrorist opens that same door for the other 300M of us today that the government has no business knowing what our communications say.
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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is the stance here that dead terrorists have rights just like corporations are people?
No the stance is that by creating a mechanism to bypass security on a dead terrorists phone, you jeopardize the privacy and security of all people using iOS.

Which is more important, the contents of a dead terrorists phone, or the contents of the electronic devices of every single iOS user on the planet?

Hmm, let me think? OK that was easy, it's not the terrorists phone.

Think of it this way, Apple put out that mechanism, it's going wild in a short period days maybe weeks (out in the black/white hat community). Now your NSA guys can't use an iOS device (no iPads, no iPhones), FBI can't, government agencies, nope, even state/local police may not be able to, your bank can't use them either, your bank and financial institutions may not permit you to log in to your accounts on an iOS device as it's an insecure client.

And no it's not pro-terrorism, or pro-criminal to have a strong reservation for the government to have this ability. It's pro-privacy, there's a specific amendment in the constitution that prohibits the government from violating it without judicial oversight.

There's no such thing as a "one-off" with this kind of software, once it's done, it's done, and would apply to all devices running that operating system, and probably result in all consumer operating systems requiring the same so Android, Windows, and various flavors of Linux.

Furthermore the data is available on the device, you just need to remove it and decrypt it, this isn't about retrieving the data, it's about retrieving the data conveniently. Lets be honest, the event happened in December, it's now into the last half of February, any volatile data is worthless, any non-volatile data will still be valuable in the 2-6 weeks it might take to figure out the decryption key.
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