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Old 02-17-2016, 03:03 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Obviously they have the ability to open a safe but not a smart phone.
It's set to erase all data after entering the wrong password after 10 times.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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It does no such thing, if you can't figure it out with the OS now a new decrypted one won't do anything for you either, because just like you said, it's proprietary.. The iOS ALREADY decrypts the device or you wouldn't be able to access it. Apple is full of **** when they say they can't. It's already a part of their damn OS. Do you think the government is going to confiscate billions of iPhones and install this decrypted OS on them just for the hell of it or do you think that they will be able to install the OS remotely on anyone's iPhone at will? Both scenarios are complete BS.
It's not.

The private drive encryption key is generated by the OS on what's known as OOBE (out of box experience).

Once it's created and the drive encrypted, Apple has no more access to it that Bob Seger (of the Silver Bullet Band, who just randomly popped into my head while thinking about who else could have access).

I don't think that people get that software can perform actions that are not reversible. Once the drive is encrypted, there is no way to decrypt it without cracking the encryption, or having the private key to the public key that encrypted it.

ETA: Drive is used to mean mass storage, not necessarily an electromagnetic or optical storage disk.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It's set to erase all data after entering the wrong password after 10 times.
Not true. It locks the device only.
The only way you can recover is to erase your device and reset to factory data losing all of your data.



https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204306
If you enter the wrong passcode in to an iOS device six times in a row, you'll be locked out and a message will say that your device is disabled.
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Unless you made a backup before you forgot your passcode, there isn't a way to save your device's data. You'll need to erase your device, which deletes all of your data and settings.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:12 PM
 
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The government is less trustworthy where the vast majority of citizens are concerned than the terrorists are.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:30 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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I support privacy. I also support that when someone is caught committing a crime like these 2 people were that law enforcement should have full access to any and all there private information.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:31 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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The government is less trustworthy where the vast majority of citizens are concerned than the terrorists are.
Pretty much agree... The exception being when the perps are caught in the act as these 2 were.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I support privacy. I also support that when someone is caught committing a crime like these 2 people were that law enforcement should have full access to any and all there private information.
But what if there is no backdoor access ?

Should the government force a company to create a backdoor just for them ?
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:34 PM
 
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I support privacy. I also support that when someone is caught committing a crime like these 2 people were that law enforcement should have full access to any and all there private information.
So two terrorists commit an act of terrorism, because of this, me and tens (if not hundreds) of millions of other people are penalized by having their personal privacy and security compromised? If the answer to this is yes, then the end result is the terrorists continue to get what they want....which is to change the culture, way of life, and the freedoms that we enjoy.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Just heard that the phone belonged to the City of Bernadino through the shooters postion, the couple did own a smart phone.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:35 PM
 
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You seem pretty hung up on making this sound silly by using the old "ehh, its just dirty pictures you are worried about" but the seriousness of it goes well beyond that. If you really don't care about the data on your phone, why not download every character of text, every photo, the call log, and any video and put it on a zip file and upload it to this site. Just because something isn't "pricate" doesn't mean you want it out in the public. Plenty of damage can be done just by someone getting their hands on a regular picture of you with some basic information. I could use it to socially engineer an entire online profile of you, fake facebook and linkedin accounts that could easily destroy your career or personal relationships...just by knowing some simple info and having a regular picture or two of you.
This is already being done but it hasn't thwarted Twitter, LinkedIn or Facebook.
I know about synthetic ID theft too and your concerns are valid. I agree and know this. I won't tell you how b/c then you or someone else could synthetically engineer me. So, I get it and am careful too. ID thieves are very smart today and the govt. is always behind the 8-ball.
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