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In many ways this country has already passed the point when immigration can be addressed. The issue will just have to evolve into a different set of expectations.
This is the truth. If Trump wins the nomination he will lose the general election due to the hispanic vote. He will do even worse than Romney did in this growing demographic. The Import Non-Whites Strategy has worked quite well for the Democrats when it comes to Presidential elections.
Trump will get some people out that did not vote in 2012 but Obama 2012 voters are not going to vote for him in any substantial number.
Being as dishonest as they are in principle, the libs will never admit that they are voting for Trump in the general election.
But that's okay -- we understand -- you don't want to be attacked at your Upper West Side cocktail parties -- don't worry -- in the privacy of the voting booth, no one will know -- that you voted -- for Donald J. Trump!
Most people identify with the core political beliefs of one of the two parties whether they know it or not, i cant see the point of jumping to the other party solely because of one political issue or how a particular candidate is portrayed by the media..
The topic of illegal immigration baffles me. I think its funny how some people are against the immigration plan that Trump is proposing. Instead of looking at it as an immigration plan, why not look at it as he is trying to enforce our laws for once. Everyone else wants to let it slide. If you cant enforce our own laws why even have them, lets just live like the wild west. Maybe Trumps plan on removing the illegals and sending them back to where they came from and then letting them back in legally is a big task at hand but you need to start somewhere. If one thinks that the illegal immigrants who are already here should be granted amnesty...well lets do the same for productive Americans who are criminals. Why is it ok for illegals to break our laws and get away with it but not our own Americans? Its like having someone just walk into your home one afternoon vs having someone knock on the door and being invited in. If people cant see the difference that is why illegal immigration has spiraled out of control.
There seem to be a lot of liberals who don't want illegal immigrants and not even continuing mass immigration at all skill levels.
Currently the only candidate who has made this a major issue against immigration is trump.
Would any liberal here seriously consider the GOP on immigration?
As soon as their meal ticket is threatened they would dance to any tune that was playing at the time. Liberals are hypocritical weaklings. It's in their DNA. They will never sacrifice anything for anyone because inherently they think the world revolves around them only. So definitely yes they would change.
I don't recall ever hearing Trump say he was going to do away with immigration. I have heard him say he does want to immediately deport criminal illegals, defund sanctuary cities, build the wall, follow the nation's existing laws, creating "happy immigrants," not hiding in the shadows.
Both Cruz and Trump have good immigration plans that are pretty much the same. Here's their positions:
It's clear there's a lot of untruths and exaggerations being spread about both their immigration plans.
I am happy to hear that they both want to more seriously vet Syrian refugees other than asking them "are you a terrorist?" Neither are saying "no" to Syrian refugees. The organizations planting them in various cities throughout the US are spreading the propaganda that American citizens who object or even question bringing them here are racists and hate and fear mongers. No wonder citizens are upset.
No. But then unlike almost everyone else here, I'm not that worked up over immigration one way or the other. While there are localities having problems, I just don't see it as an overbearing national issue.
I can't imagine the issue that would result in me voting for an R in the presidential race.
This is the truth. If Trump wins the nomination he will lose the general election due to the hispanic vote. He will do even worse than Romney did in this growing demographic. The Import Non-Whites Strategy has worked quite well for the Democrats when it comes to Presidential elections.
Trump will get some people out that did not vote in 2012 but Obama 2012 voters are not going to vote for him in any substantial number.
Why would Hispanic citizens not support our immigration laws? Aren't they obligated to do so just like the rest of us or are they special? FYI, the Hispanic vote doesn't mean squat as most don't vote and there are probably only 30 million tops eligible to vote and Romney didn't lose because of the Hispanic vote either.
Acting as though immigration is a stand alone issue is hypocritical on it's face, and worse, it allows the debate to focus on a slim portion of one of our biggest economic concerns. I can't believe that in a nation of immigrants there would be such a huge misunderstanding of our national policies on immigration. Immigration, and all that it encompasses is all about employment, not immigration. We have already allowed more foreign born here than the current economic system can adequately employ, illegal, legal, it doesn't really matter, what does matter is that we don't have enough American pie to go around any longer. But that works in someone's favor, and most here know who enjoys the rewards of that little fact.
Posing the question in such dubious terms, (Republicans VS Democrats) really twists the logic out of any real debate, instead we get another left-right, repub-dem conflict going, yawwwwwnnnn. What's the point in that? No political party is going to undermine a low pay construct from forming in America. Yes that is the truth of things as they stand, it's not poli-sci, it's not anything except the same old class friction of the last three hundred years, those on top want cheap wages, those on the bottom vote for anyone who will promise to change that. Time to move on, nothin to see here..
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