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Old 03-21-2016, 08:04 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Highly talented immigrants starting successful companies - great, although much of the benifit goes to other immigrants and not to Americans.





Immigrants in general coming to work in the American tech industry - great for tech company owners, not so great for American tech workers.
Amen to that.
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Old 03-21-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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That's because our government gives them business startup loans. They don't give them like that to actual Americans though.
Um, rubbish. Got a cite for this nonsense?
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Old 03-21-2016, 08:07 AM
 
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Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups - Digits - WSJ

How many of you agree that America needs to attract more talented people and reduce the hurdles?
I don't think America needs to attract more talented people, but I do think it benefits us to attract the most talented -- provided that they really can be proven to be "the most talented" and not just "the cheapest."

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How about making it easier for technical immigrants to obtain a green card directly?
The article you just quoted suggests a 'fix' that does the opposite.

It encourages the expansion of a non-immigrant Visa that makes it almost impossible for highly-skilled foreigners to obtain a greencard.

WSJ, like most Murdoch publications, just banks on its readers being too stupid to notice the difference. WSJ has been pushing low-wage offshoring tech visas for years, trying to pass them off as "immigrant job creators." Right-wing interests have always used publications like WSJ and IBD as mouthpieces for right-wing ideology, knowing that their readers all think they're getting in on some kind of 'inside scoop' that normal people don't know about.

Thing is-- we do have immigrant job creators, but WSJ isn't proposing any plans that would make it easier for them.

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Old 03-21-2016, 08:24 AM
 
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Yeah and immigrants are twice as likely to start new businesses.....not to mention much more likely to receive da guberment grant money to start one and much more likely to be granted da guberment contracts.

Funny how a now those little privileges that help people succeed don't count in that case huh?

There are other factors of course....after all I don't think like the typical brain damaged liberal.
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No such thing as generic "immigrants" .

The educated, legal immigrants do have advantages. They move often move here debt free from their free educational system. My wife has a master's degree equivalent and was free and clear. The legal ones tend to go though a selective filter. So we are getting the cream of the crop. Since they do not come in large numbers, they generally assimilate and become model citizens.

If you look Latin Americans coming across the border , they are slightly better then political refugees which are also colossal failures like Somalis , and Hmong.

I am afraid you will not see and Yucatan Indian, Somali , Hmong billion dollar starts up all working together in East St Louis. If one thinks its all the same then one is self evidently a moron.

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Old 03-21-2016, 08:27 AM
 
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Yeah and immigrants are twice as likely to start new businesses.....not to mention much more likely to receive da guberment grant money to start one and much more likely to be granted da guberment contracts.

Funny how a now those little privilege that help people succeed don't count in that case huh?
Awesome! Can you point me toward those grants and contracts?
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Old 03-21-2016, 08:30 AM
 
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Um, rubbish. Got a cite for this nonsense?
Oh please, it's common knowledge. How do you think all those Indians got into convenience stores and Pakistani's into gas stations. They get preferred business loans over Americans.
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Old 03-21-2016, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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They were immigrants too. They just didn't sprout up out of the ground in North America.
what!!! and you know this how? because Adam and Eve born in Israel?? How you know these are not descendants from ADAM -moved away and grew up here-- we have mountains high enough for the big flood to survive-
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Old 03-21-2016, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Immigrants make it here because there are consumers- period--- there is abundant money to buy their products- or use their talents. GOD gives the talents to who He pleases- Who can teach a person to be a great surgeon if not born with that talent to be developed- silly questions sometimes
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Old 03-21-2016, 08:38 AM
 
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Awesome! Can you point me toward those grants and contracts?

https://www.sba.gov/content/minority-owned-businesses
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Old 03-21-2016, 08:39 AM
 
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Oh please, it's common knowledge. How do you think all those Indians got into convenience stores and Pakistani's into gas stations. They get preferred business loans over Americans.
Did they? Proof?

Does it occur to you that they get loans because they have enough working capital in the first place, and that they work very very hard - not just the recipient but their entire family - pay their bills, and are very low risk?
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