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Old 03-21-2016, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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I am not an immigrant I am born here, and my family is from here. This country is a European county. It may not originally belong to Europeans but it does now! I like how everyone missed my point that I think this is just so companies can hire immigrants and pay them lower the the visas! And I mean look there's millions of immigrants, and 3 started huge companies... And like everyone else said there's more younger immigrants coming here. I think America needs to encourage people to have kids. I mean I know it's somewhat bad for overpopulation buts it's good for the economy! I think it must be strenuous for the economy to have a bunch of people getting older, then barely any, then a huge influx of old and young people etc. I think America needs to worry about having a correct population pyramid.
It is a nation of immigrants from all over- and will continue to be so- and if all intermarry I will be happy- because then we can stop some of the bias.


Petitioners must submit an additional fee of $4,000 for certain H-1B petitions and $4,500 for certain L-1A and L-1B petitions postmarked on or after December 18, 2015.
H2B I think are about $325-- and you ant them to pay less?
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Old 03-21-2016, 07:24 PM
 
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You don't have any stats backing up your case other than a crude statistic like the same one they use for a woman's low pay that ignores fewer hours worked and feminist studies over engineering. I also casually mused about how often immigrants inherited or ran an existing family business . The answer by definition is none. So any immigrant that is self employed , is probably going to be, ya know, a start up. When My father had his own business, I ran it while he was in the hospital. After he died I just kept running it. So I was "not a start up".


I know that you would just love the typical narrative that Americans are lazy and stupid and are just excited at the opportunity to step aside for the rest of the world that is superior in every way but its mostly convenient BS and statistically contrived crap to drive a political agenda.

The US is often the first choice for entrepreneurs to come. That very specific population no doubt contributes.

But we all know that's not what this is about....
Where did all that come from? I never said, nor implied, that Americans were lazy or stupid.

You have not yet proven that immigrants get more help from the government to start businesses than American born people. That's all I asked you to do, back up your own assertion.
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Old 03-22-2016, 08:34 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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You would think that legal immigrants would push back against the illegal immigrants trying to shoe horn their way in front of the line.

I have a Nigerian friend with British citizenship, who is law abiding, educated (master's degree) and limited in his employment options because of his immigration status. He's tried every way possible to get his green card and/or citizenship but he's not a "priority" (according to him) for immigration reform and an easy path. He's been here about 15 years and he just doesn't understand how after all this time, and money that he has spent here legally--just how someone who has entered the country illegally and possesses minimal work skills, and little to no education can attract such powerful lobbying from bureaucrats and special interest groups to fight on their behalf for "change". And he's an Obama supporter to the fullest.
Why doesn't your Nigerian friend just find an American to marry? Problem solved.

Otherwise, let an immigrant in only after passing an IQ test and with proof of high academic/tech/business prowess... and also what's in their bank account. Sadly, the vast majority of foreigners wanting to get in on the "American Dream" are undereducated, impoverished and trying to escape their broken country... and those aren't the types to create a billion dollar tech startup company.

Also, these tech startup companies don't benefit the Americans who need living wage jobs and lack tech skills. And if these tech companies are producing some sort of electronic gadget, then those products are made overseas in Asian factories like Apple's iPhones.
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Old 03-22-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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Where did all that come from? I never said, nor implied, that Americans were lazy or stupid.

You have not yet proven that immigrants get more help from the government to start businesses than American born people. That's all I asked you to do, back up your own assertion.

It comes from the obvious narrative. Obviously we need unrestricted immigration for a stagnant America. I don't know what part of minority section bias you don't understand. I can't explain it to a donkey either and that is where the problem lies.

Moving further along I am sure this policy might have something to do with it:

https://www.uscis.gov/eir/visa-guide...2-requirements


But again if you are not legal you don't need to meet the capital requirements now do you? That isn't going to stop the propagandists from trying the exploit a raw statistic on all immigrants. We have not even considered that new Latino immigrants more than likely have access to the this labor pool subject to their whims. So they too can out compete native business neoliberal sweat shop style.
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Old 03-22-2016, 11:37 AM
 
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I am voting Trump so he can blow up D.C. and start over.
I see you are advocating violence and destruction
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Old 03-22-2016, 11:43 AM
 
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It comes from the obvious narrative. Obviously we need unrestricted immigration for a stagnant America. I don't know what part of minority section bias you don't understand. I can't explain it to a donkey either and that is where the problem lies.

Moving further along I am sure this policy might have something to do with it:

https://www.uscis.gov/eir/visa-guide...2-requirements


But again if you are not legal you don't need to meet the capital requirements now do you? That isn't going to stop the propagandists from trying the exploit a raw statistic on all immigrants. We have not even considered that new Latino immigrants more than likely have access to the this labor pool subject to their whims. So they too can out compete native business neoliberal sweat shop style.
Dude, your posts aren't successful in explaining anything to anyone.
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Old 03-22-2016, 11:44 AM
 
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Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups - Digits - WSJ

How many of you agree that America needs to attract more talented people and reduce the hurdles?

How about making it easier for technical immigrants to obtain a green card directly?
If this story is correct it looks as if enough talent is allowed in under existing programs.
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Old 03-23-2016, 11:47 AM
 
Location: London
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well, that's why this country is framed to be an immigrant society, so that this system is sustained.

simply put, businesses want talents and lower cost of doing business. the american system is set up to prioritize that.

now, good business does create jobs, which help everybody here. but the workers aren't the priority.
It doesn't help everybody, it only helps the businesses and new immigrants.

As for working Americans not being a priority, when did 'We the people' turn into 'We the corporations' ?
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