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No. To the contrary, I would even say that it is kind of egoistic and antisocial to enjoy all that society and the government provide and yet not have any children that will help provide those things to the next generations in the future.
Having kids is not a problem in the first world, not having them is.
Having kids is a problem in developing countries, simply because they have too many.
That's ....
If the purpose of having children is to provide things to the next generation, we should have put some measures in place to ensure that happens. Well, we don't. There's absolutely no obligation or accountability for the parents. Plenty of parents raise criminals, rapists, serial killers, mass murders, and other monsters (Hitlers, Stalin. etc.) and welfare queens/kings and they go completely unpunished.
I'd have far more respect for you if you say "I just want to pass my gene." That's selfish but truthful. I respect people to be truthful.
So long as you continue to believe your last line that is true for you.
I wonder if there was a "bovine" that gave birth to and raised the OP. Maybe, maybe not.
The selfish, me, me, me Play Station generation, may be the death of us as a nation. Maybe we could help encourage their contribution to the community with "participation" trophies for getting up at 1 PM.
If we had a couple generations of these single people who never produce any children, we could cease to exist as a country after a while.
The reason we encourage and promote producing and raising children, is that they become our future. Without children we will die as a nation. Our future depends on doing what we can to encourage and promote raising the next best, generation.
Yes it does, because when you live in a society and enjoy all the perks of living in a society, you should give back.
I know a guy on another forum. He is 50 years old, never been married, no kids. He also thought that he should not participating in raising the next generation. Few months ago he started to date a 25 years old lady, and he was really happy about it. So in one of our discussions I told him, that maybe, if there were not some tax breaks for kids that he paid for in his 20-s, her parents would decide to make an abortion. And now, pardon my french instead of **** a nice piece of *ss, he would **** his hand.
Give back? I pay my share of taxes and some of them goes to raise other people's children. I have given plenty back. What have you given back?
Nobody should be paying to raise other people's children. People should become more self-reliant, responsible and independent.
If the purpose of having children is to provide things to the next generation, we should have put some measures in place to ensure that happens. Well, we don't. There's absolutely no obligation or accountability for the parents. Plenty of parents raise criminals, rapists, serial killers, mass murders, and other monsters (Hitlers, Stalin. etc.) and welfare queens/kings and they go completely unpunished.
I'd have far more respect for you if you say "I just want to pass my gene." That's selfish but truthful. I respect people to be truthful.
I am not saying that my argument is the one that makes people have kids. But people who do NOT have kids should think about that.
I don't believe your gene theory, either. You have watched too much Discovery Channel. There they always say that about animals. Most humans do not work that way, our society works differently, hardly any animals have relationships we humans have. So often times a couple is simply happy to be together and they want to unite and leave behind an expression of their love (I know it sounds kitschy ).
The vast majority of kids will never turn into any of the antisocial kinds of people you have listed. You might as well say, don't have kids because a few of them would be involved in car accidents later on.
I am not saying that my argument is the one that makes people have kids. But people who do NOT have kids should think about that.
I don't believe your gene theory, either. You have watched too much Discovery Channel. There they always say that about animals. Most humans do not work that way, our society works differently, hardly any animals have relationships we humans have. So often times a couple is simply happy to be together and they want to unite and leave behind an expression of their love (I know it sounds kitschy ).
That's called passing on your gene.
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The vast majority of kids will never turn into any of the antisocial kinds of people you have listed. You might as well say, don't have kids because a few of them would be involved in car accidents later on.
I never said don't have kids. I said people should be held responsible for their children so that we can ensure children raised to contribute to the society like you said.
This poster doesn't even want people to get maternity/paternity leave, saying the taxpayers foot the bill in government agencies and the consumers eat it in private companies.
Some people are just born to feel cheated.
Yeah, their response to my question was very telling. You can't have a rational conversation with the irrational. Can't say I've ever paid my taxes under gunpoint, and citizenship here in the US is 100% voluntary.
Incidentally, I haven't visited every national park, and yet my taxpayer money goes to fund the others?! Preposterous! I haven't driven on every road either, I shouldn't be taxed on all of them. I'm not a disabled vet, let's take those taxes away too, etc.
Or maaaaybe we live in a society where people aren't taxed a la carte. I spy with my little eye: someone that fell asleep in civics class.
Passing on one's genes is not the purpose of it, that is the key. It is merely how it works scientifically, but I never bought into that idea that humans or animals have kids to pass on their genes. They keep saying that about animals all the time, but animals don't even know about genes.
Parents are the ones in charge of educating their kids, not you. Teachers are also in charge of teaching kids, but with your attitude I doubt you are a teacher
This thread highlights the modern day liberal mindset for the younger generation. They have convinced themselves that paying taxes justifies living a self centered life. Then they complain bitterly about paying taxes, which only seems to justify being even more selfish.
Most people raise children by using taxpayers' money. For example, they take deductions for their children.
It's none of my business whether or not you have children or how you raise your children as long as taxpayers' money, which includes my money, is not being used to raise them. When it is, I have every right to rant.
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Do you think putting a gun on other people's heads and forcing them to pay for your own children is a right and moral thing to do?
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Give back? I pay my share of taxes and some of them goes to raise other people's children. I have given plenty back. What have you given back?
Nobody should be paying to raise other people's children. People should become more self-reliant, responsible and independent.
Enough of this fake "I'm paying for your kids" BS. The taxes raised on selling diapers alone is probably enough to pay for all of those "lucrative" few thousand dollar tax deductions given to parents each year which, by the way, simply results in the parents paying less of their own money in taxes. Plus those benefits are phased out based on income and per child. In fact, while we are on the subject, let's talk about that last point for a moment. You get a tax deduction (standard deduction) for yourself. The tax deduction for children starts phasing out once you have more than two, but you still get your full individual deduction. So, parents are the ones subsidizing your full deduction, not the other way around. Again, parents are also paying tens if not hundreds of thousands of taxable dollars into the economy each year for child-related expenses and that money helps pay for your tax deduction. So, let's all come back to earth on the economics issue here.
Give back? I pay my share of taxes and some of them goes to raise other people's children. I have given plenty back. What have you given back?
Nobody should be paying to raise other people's children. People should become more self-reliant, responsible and independent.
And I pay my share, and it goes to buy nice food in prisons, African American youth programs, Federal highways in Alaska (places where I will never going to be) etc.
That how it works.
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