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Nobody is refusing to serve homosexuals. It is about having the right to refuse certain requests made by homosexuals...or anyone else for that matter. Those decisions should remain with the business owner, not the customer and certainly not the government.
See Newman v piggy park. He did not refuse all service, but only one service due to his religious beliefs, and he lost.
Business owners have always had the right to refuse service to someone for reasons other than discrimination. A baker could refuse to make a cake for OJ Simpson for any reason besides his sex, race, national origin, color, age or handicapped status.
Whether a business can refuse service because of someone's sexual orientation is up in the air these days. When MS passed a law to protect business owners from having to deal with a LGBT person, it incurred the wrath of many who see it as unfair. Hence the protests. I imagine that MS will back off and change the law before it's over.
For the billionth time, no one has been refused service because they are a homosexual.
As long as the cake isn`t intended for a same-sex wedding, homosexuals can buy all the cakes their little hearts desire.
The objection has been to providing wedding cakes for same-sex ceremonies.
The simple solution for homosexuals who want a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding ceremony is to simply find another baker, but they won`t because this isn`t about cake, it`s about policing thought.
Maybe I'll start a religion where people can't be dicrimatory toward other people. It would have to apparently enforced by Mississippi religious practices.
...The simple solution for homosexuals who want a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding ceremony is to simply find another baker, but they won`t because this isn`t about cake, it`s about policing thought.
The simple solution is for blacks to just sit at the back of the bus, what's the big deal?
The simple solution is for the Irish to just find a business willing to hire Irish people, what's the big deal?
The simple solution is for Jews to simply find a bank willing to have them as customers, what's the big deal?
At least in the Oregon case, the baker ADMITTED he was refusing service because the couple was a same-sex couple. Sexual orientation is a protected class in Oregon. In Oregon, if you sell wedding cakes, you can't legally refuse service based on sexual orientation. Simple.
Allowing businesses to determine who they will serve based on religious beliefs is a very slippery slope. How far do you go with that, do you refuse to serve divorcees, people that drink alcohol or sleep around. The other part is how do they even determine if they are selling to a same sex couple in most instances, some may be pretty obvious, others not so much.
The slippery slope argument. Many who are opposed to forcing employers to make reasonable accommodations for employees' religious beliefs use the same argument. Somehow, we've managed to keep those laws in place for decades.
Please. Take "religious beliefs" out of it for a moment. Consider that you're a baker who doesn't want to decorate a cake according to your customer's request. For some reason the request highly offends you. You're willing to sell the customer another cake...or brownies...or cupcakes...and, in fact, you have served that same customer many times in the past. But he's making a demand of you and your business... a demand that you politely decline.
Enter the federal government who says "Fill the order or be charged with a criminal act."
How does any real American support that? Mississippi has called this one right. The title of this thread in itself is highly inflammatory and misleading.
And therein lies your problem. You think that everyone in the world has your Christian viewpoint. You need to get out more and begin to realize that there are other moral viewpoints in the world...not to mention other Christian viewpoints in the world.
I'm well aware that I'm in the minority- people on this website remind me daily.
Please. Take "religious beliefs" out of it for a moment. Consider that you're a baker who doesn't want to decorate a cake according to your customer's request. For some reason the request highly offends you. You're willing to sell the customer another cake...or brownies...or cupcakes...and, in fact, you have served that same customer many times in the past. But he's making a demand of you and your business... a demand that you politely decline.
Enter the federal government who says "Fill the order or be charged with a criminal act."
How does any real American support that? Mississippi has called this one right. The title of this thread in itself is highly inflammatory and misleading.
So if I look at their book and point out this cake, they should make it for me.
The design is in their book they must not find that design offensive.
PS neither of the cake cases was about the design of the cake. Both couples were told that they could not buy ANY wedding cake in the bakery.
I don't see a Bill of Rights that permits racial discrimination. And you have yet to name the organized religion that banned/bans the social mixing of races.
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