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Old 06-13-2016, 05:44 PM
 
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The reasoning that a killer can kill more people with a weapon that shoots more bullets faster is not flawed.
Ban this guy:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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You picked the wrong example, because as measured by plane hijackings and the like, air travel has become MUCH safer, with the longer security check point lines that go with of course...
Oh? Bring some statistics that TSA has accomplished anything other than providing employment for people who enjoy patting down strangers. Meanwhile, check this out...

TSA Still Hasn

Pilot: Is TSA security a complete failure? - CNN.com

Does the TSA ever catch terrorists?

TSA Spent $900 Million on Behavior Detection Officers Who Detected 0 Terrorists
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Nah. Put him in a gay nightclub with orders to kill the next Muslim who comes in carrying an AR-15 and a bag of loaded magazines.
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:33 PM
 
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Right, just love these sentiments as well...

Just how many times has there ever been any return fire to speak of?

Consider these circumstances rationally and/or realistically, especially if you have family..., just what level of concern might you have for your kids going to a theater or a club or maybe your wife at a supermarket?

The threat of a nut case with a gun is the concern. The hope of even the police being around, or anyone for that matter, to return fire is only a gun-enthusiasts fantasy that no one else can really consider seriously.

I mean really?
Better to die cowering on a bathroom floor than having the means and will to try to defend oneself, right?
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:33 PM
 
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Assault weapon is any gun that looks scary. Since all guns look scary to me, all guns are assault weapon.
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Seems we have "a failure to communicate," and no doubt I'm having some trouble understanding your position contrary to what I think is obvious, but let's look at this a little differently for the sake of perhaps some better understanding either way.

Let's just for the sake of argument imagine that somehow there is general agreement that slowing dowing the rate of fire for a killer is agreed upon, accepted, strived for...

Say I go to you and the rest of the gun "experts" in light of this agreement and further define the goal of limiting the sale of weapons on the market to include only those that allow a killer to kill at a rate or number roughly 10 percent of what the fastest possibility is today.

IOWs, if the "fastest gun in the West" can kill 100 people in 10 seconds in whatever manner possible, the ban would be on everything that has a "kill rate" of more than 10 people in 10 seconds...

Obviously this example, scenario and notion is all but ridiculous, but to the point about reducing the kill rate, this is the sort of math that begins to shape what those opposed to "assault weapons" are aiming to accomplish, misguided and/or impossible all that effort may ultimately be.

Understand?

Curious, either way, just what all weapons would be banned (or not) if such a measure were actually made into law, implimented...

Yes, I understand that you are talking about basing a theoretical ban on a mathematical formula that has no basis in reality.

This amounts to nothing more than progressive pocket pool and is just about as productive.

Why?

Because enforcement of that ban would require confiscation of the over 200 million weapons that would violate the parameters you are setting forth that are already in the hands of Americans.

Otherwise no one would buy the new "compliant" guns and the value all the "old" guns would skyrocket.

So.....what was your point again?
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:36 PM
 
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They don't know the magazine size at this point, some people can change fast some not so much so. The AR-15 fire rate is around 45-60 rounds per minute in Semi-auto but that I believe is assuming no magazine change.
Anybody with just a little practice can easily fire 4 rounds a second. Any semi-auto would have a firing rate of at least 240 per min. That's not counting bump fire.
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:43 PM
 
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Is this to suggest gangs are to blame and/or that we have more gangs in America than anywere else as a percentage of the population?

Not sure about that and of course there is the common question as to whether suicides are included in your declining numbers, but America's numbers are still exceptional by just about any measure no matter from what angle you look, right?

Including as described below, and even if gangs account for higher numbers, this first statement also would help explain that, though "gangs" per se are not mentioned as a source of the problem by name here...

"For example, offenders take into account the threat posed by their adversaries. Individuals are more likely to have lethal intent if they anticipate that their adversaries will be armed," she explained.

Even though it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the United States accounted for 82 percent of all gun deaths. The United States also accounted for 90 percent of all women killed by guns, the study found. Ninety-one percent of children under 14 who died by gun violence were in the United States. And 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed by guns were in the United States, the study found.

How U.S. gun deaths compare to other countries - CBS News
277 mostly gang murders in Chicago so far this year.
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Better to die cowering on a bathroom floor than having the means and will to try to defend oneself, right?
stop
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Old 06-13-2016, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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An assault weapon can be anything a politician wants it to be.
Assault- threat, attempt, cause injury to a person
Weapon- Any instrument used to cause injury, death.
Use a baseball bat to beat a person and cause injury, you used an assault weapon.
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