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View Poll Results: Should we have stricter gun-ownership laws?
Yes 114 28.08%
No 292 71.92%
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Old 06-03-2008, 03:10 PM
 
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A tragedy. I see you want use this young man's death to further some petty political cause.
Isn't that exactly how you go about petitioning for gun control?
You really are a hypocrite. Every gun control out there is the result of some brain dead liberal useing anothers tragedy to push their agenda.

The constitution is not a petty political cause, gun control is.

 
Old 06-03-2008, 03:13 PM
 
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Car and boats are licensed and regulated. You're not allowed to use one unless you can demonstrate that you have a minimum level of competency.
Thats true to an extent, but no place bars them from use & noplace says you cannot own one or buy one without a license. You can buy any car or boat or plane anyplace anytime you want as long as you have the money.

What you demonstrate is an inability for rational thought.
 
Old 06-03-2008, 03:15 PM
 
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Where does the U. S. Constitution say a person can't keep and bear a cruise missile with a nuke war head?
It doesn't. But a short time researching the debates of the period make it clear they meant small arms.

The reality is a person cant BEAR a cruise missle. It should be, no, it is obvious that they meant arms you could "BEAR" on your person.
 
Old 06-03-2008, 03:21 PM
 
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Clueless in DC wrote,

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All three are licensed and regulated on a state by state basis.

No they are not. You can own all the boats, cars, motorcycles, snowmobiles or any other machine you want with no regulation or licensing unless you want to use them on public land or waters. Really, dont you think you should have aty least a rudimentary knowledge of life in the US before you preach your socialist doctrine?
 
Old 06-03-2008, 03:29 PM
 
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It doesn't. But a short time researching the debates of the period make it clear they meant small arms.
What did the word "arms" mean in 1789?

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The reality is a person cant BEAR a cruise missle.
bear = To hold up; support. To carry from one place to another; transport.

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...they meant arms you could "BEAR" on your person.
What rules of interpretation did you use to arrive at that construction?

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Old 06-03-2008, 03:39 PM
 
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The people who use weapons for illegal activities couldn't care less whether guns were legal or not. They are criminals and most of them do not obtain the guns in a legal manner. They steal them or buy them on the streets. Making gun ownership illegal will not effect the crime rate. If it does it will make crime rise due to the criminals knowing that the homeowners don't have a gun. They are a lot more likely to try something with someone who is for sure not armed.

I personally like the idea of being able to purchase a weapon in order to defend myself. I haven't felt the need to do so, but I'm glad the opportunity is there!
 
Old 06-03-2008, 05:13 PM
 
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What did the word "arms" mean in 1789?
Arms was & is a broad term. Since they specified the right to "Keep & bear arms" a reasonable persn would deduct they meant arms you could tote around. Guns, knives, swords & other weaponry suitable for self defense & militia useage.


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bear = To hold up; support. To carry from one place to another; transport.
Very good, I'm right proud of you. Now then, can you hold up & carry about a cruise missle or tank? Or do you think they might have meant guns?

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What rules of interpretation did you use to arrive at that construction?
A simple understandng of the English language. I'm just a man, not a scholar & dont really understand what you mean by "rules of interpretation" In my view the only rule of interpretation is to read & understand what is written acording to the English language.
Its contemporary people that convolute things. They were lawyers & able to convolute if they chose to do so. Instead they chose simple rudimentary language easy to understand.

The burden of proof should lie with those trying to take away a right, so, tell me what rules of interpretation are used to ignore the obvious intent of a sentence?

Your definition of bear describes nicely what they intended.
 
Old 06-03-2008, 05:13 PM
 
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The founding father are dead. I'm quite comfortable with your assertion of what the founding fathers probably meant. I don't see much relevance to today's environment.

yes the founding fathers are dead. guess that means that freedom of speech is not needed anymore either, right?
 
Old 06-03-2008, 05:16 PM
 
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Nobody is walking all over me. I'm quite safe in my home. I have locks, an alarm system, and a responsive police department. All I need.


police department???

heck, the cops do not even have to respond to your home at all. that does mean that they wont, they just dont have to.
individual citizens are not part of the general public, whom the police are there for.
your locks and alarm system can both be overcome, and if they are you will be in a big bind when the crooks come knocking.
 
Old 06-03-2008, 05:18 PM
 
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A tragedy. I see you want use this young man's death to further some petty political cause.

why not, the facist liberal party uses children all the time to further their political means.
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