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Old 07-03-2016, 11:57 AM
 
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Because at its root, they are based on the same premise. The right over a woman's body and right to choose what to do with it.

The choice is the key. Something a woman choosing to work as a prostitute is denied... along with all the legal protections that go along with labor.


If all you have to say after 25 pages is that you have deemed one good and the other bad... that's a sign of serious problem in thought.
They are not based on the same premise.
An unwanted baby can ruin a woman's life, so can prostitution.

Your logic is totally wrong, and you cannot get out of it.

 
Old 07-03-2016, 11:57 AM
 
Location: London
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Honestly, everyone pretty much prostitutes themselves anyway, unless they were already blessed with enough money to not need to work. Just not sexually. And because of that, it's accepted in society.

You also rarely hear of employees being beaten up by their bosses, because they know the employee would have legal recourse and exercise it so fast their heads would spin.
 
Old 07-03-2016, 11:58 AM
 
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Uh, any product or service is legitimate if it has value for a customer. It has nothing to do with being "productive" or "good for society". People have wants and other people have the ability to provide them with those things. As long as no one is being forced to produce or purchase, any transaction or agreement they reach voluntarily is not anyone else's business. Tyrants and delusional thugs cannot get out of the gene pool fast enough...
Yes, of course every business serves some purpose, but some of them are bad for the society.
 
Old 07-03-2016, 11:59 AM
 
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Honestly, everyone pretty much prostitutes themselves anyway, unless they were already blessed with enough money to not need to work. Just not sexually.
We are only talking about sex workers. Your philosophical metaphors can be saved.
 
Old 07-03-2016, 12:00 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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They are not based on the same premise.
An unwanted baby can ruin a woman's life, so can prostitution.

Your logic is totally wrong, and you cannot get out of it.
WRONG. Read Roe v. Wade. Educate yourself.

"The Court ruled 7–2 that a right to privacy under the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion, but that this right must be balanced against the state's two legitimate interests in regulating abortions: protecting women's health and protecting the potentiality of human life."

14th amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion.

It was all about right over a woman's choice.

They call it "pro-choice" for a reason.
 
Old 07-03-2016, 12:03 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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We are only talking about sex workers. Your philosophical metaphors can be saved.
Says the person who tried to bring in mothers, fathers, anarchism, communism,... oh my... lol
 
Old 07-03-2016, 12:03 PM
 
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Alcohol and the business supports people's lives who manufacture it. No different from prostitution. It supports the lives of those who provide a service. Alcohol is legal from a consumer point of view but in of itself has no contribution to society. It is vice. There is no difference between alcohol as a product of vice and sex as product of vice...

Abortion right has nothing to do with what is good or bad to a woman. Have you ever talked to a woman who had an abortion? I have. It is traumatic. A scare they will have to live with for the rest of their lives. She is still remains pro-choice but would never ever choose abortion again.

the key you are choosing to ignore is that abortion rights wasn't about what is good/bad for a woman. It was based on the premise that a woman has a right to their own body. You choose to ignore it because you cannot rectify the conflict.



Explain how prostitution is NEVER good for a woman (or a man)?

It puts food on the table. It puts kids to a good school. It keeps a roof over their heads. It put money in a savings account. etc.. No different than any other job.
I have told you many times abortion right is ok, although abortion per se is not a fortunate thing to do.

Alcohol does bring happiness to people, just like any good food and beverage. It is also a social norm to drink good alcohol in formal situations. It causes problems too, as I mentioned there are laws to restrict the use of alcohol.

Also, it does not involve two parties.
 
Old 07-03-2016, 12:04 PM
 
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Says the person who tried to bring in mothers, fathers, anarchism, communism,... oh my... lol
I mentioned them when I talked about sex workers.
 
Old 07-03-2016, 12:06 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Yes, of course every business serves some purpose, but some of them are bad for the society.
It doesn't matter what anyone "believes" is "good" or "bad" for "society". A voluntary exchange between people where no initiations of force are used against anyone is not of anyone else's concern or business. No one cares what "you" or anyone "else" "believes".

Peaceful voluntary agreements among free people is NEVER wrong. Regardless of what anyone "believes" is "right" or "wrong".

"Society", like the "majority", or the fictional collective, are just constructs of thugs to justify their evil towards their fellow man. There is no such thing as a "crime" where no one initiates force upon anyone else. All human action which is not an initiation of force upon another falls under the broad umbrella of natural human rights. It is not up to you, or anyone else, to decide or take away those natural rights from anyone else.

You only have a right to use retaliatory force against an aggressor. And their is NO other time when force is justified.
 
Old 07-03-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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I have told you many times abortion right is ok, although abortion per se is not a fortunate thing to do.

Alcohol does bring happiness to people, just like any good food and beverage. It is also a social norm to drink good alcohol in formal situations. It causes problems too, as I mentioned there are laws to restrict the use of alcohol.

Also, it does not involve two parties.

Whether or not you think abortion is ok or not is irrelevant. There are many people who do not think abortion is ok but believe that the right for a woman to choose is a human right that shall be protected.


OMG... did you just say that alcohol brings happiness to people insinuating that sex does not.

Social norms are due to change.
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