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Old 07-11-2016, 07:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ View Post
Al of these laws are in place and Full Automatic Weapons require a special license.


Most Anti Gun forget the weapon will change if you band certain weapons. People go bad and commit crimes every day.
Most people do carry a gun everyday license (CCW) or not.
Criminal and Terrorist do not follow the law!
Failed argument.

We can repeat this over and over again, these laws are already in place and the anti's will just ignore it.
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Old 07-11-2016, 09:34 AM
 
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Thousands of private gun sales are conducted on Facebook everyday, despite the "ban". There is no way to regulate private sales.
I'll do one better. I've brought this up before. Jamaica has the highest murder rate of any of the Caribbean islands. Jamaica has some strict gun laws. Officially, you can't get assault rifles. Getting hand guns is no easy feat either. However, alot of gun smuggling takes place.
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Old 07-11-2016, 09:54 AM
 
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For clarity, we need to define assault weapon. A baseball bat can be an assault weapon in the right hands.
You probably know this, but Wikipedia provides a very good definition:


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An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. Assault rifles were first used during World War II.
Though Western nations were slow to accept the assault rifle concept after World War II, by the end of the 20th century they had become the standard weapon in most of the world's armies, replacing battle rifles and sub-machine guns. Examples include the StG 44, AK-47 and the M16 rifle.
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In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:
It must be an individual weapon
It must be capable of selective fire
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine
And it should have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards)
Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles, despite frequently being called such.

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The term assault rifle, when used in its proper context, militarily or by its specific functionality, has a generally accepted definition with the firearm manufacturing community. In more casual usage, the term assault weapon is sometimes conflated or confused with the term assault rifle.
In the United States "assault weapons" are usually defined in legislation as semi-automatic firearms that have certain features generally associated with military firearms, including assault rifles. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified a definition of an assault weapon. It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:
a folding or telescoping stock
a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
a bayonet mount
a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
a grenade launcher
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Old 07-11-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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You probably know this, but Wikipedia provides a very good definition:


The standard sporting rifle chambered in 5.56 (the evil AR the media chastises) would be struggling at 330 yards wouldn't it ?
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:21 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The standard sporting rifle chambered in 5.56 (the evil AR the media chastises) would be struggling at 330 yards wouldn't it ?
.223 @ 300 yards is down to around 500 foot lbs energy. Not much.
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:23 AM
 
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I don't believe those stats. I know gun people. I have been around gun owners and shooters from Michigan to Fla. to Wyo to Arkansas and Kansas. out of 100 I maybe hear one person say the crap you say they are saying. It just aint so joe. It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble, its what you know for sure that just ain't so. Mark Twain.
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:26 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I don't disagree regarding firearms dealers at gun shows but there are sellers at gun shows that are not FFl's and that is a loophole.


If you allow some sellers at gun shows to sell without background checks then why even bother to have checks at all.





Gun show operators agree to firearm tracking and sales rules - NY Daily News
They also have promised to request that local law enforcement patrol the parking lots outside shows to prevent illegal gun sales.

^ This is not a loophole. It's an illegal private sell. If a vendor is giving a wink and a nod to go outside and sell a gun in the lot it's an illegal private sell. Difficult to regulate. This happens in parking lots across the Country.
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:46 AM
 
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They also have promised to request that local law enforcement patrol the parking lots outside shows to prevent illegal gun sales.

^ This is not a loophole. It's an illegal private sell. If a vendor is giving a wink and a nod to go outside and sell a gun in the lot it's an illegal private sell. Difficult to regulate. This happens in parking lots across the Country.


BINGO! Been there, seen that but didn't buy the "T" shirt.
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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.223 @ 300 yards is down to around 500 foot lbs energy. Not much.

I knew it lost some energy but that seems like a lot...
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Old 07-11-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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Since 1968 there have been over 400,000 murders in the US. That number is higher than all those killed in all the wars the US has fought.
The problem is not the guns but the people firing those guns. The real question is why are Americans so violent?
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