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Okay...go skate along Keep your taxes to yourself there comrade..."free" things are the most expensive things in reality.
Well, my free healthcare costs the Canadian taxpayers a fraction of what the American tax payer pays for Their disfunctional system. Our government does not seem to have a need to gouge students for their education loans either. In most cases, universal social systems run correctly cost way less than all the costs involved in not having them.
Seeing this question, I can't resist posting, tho' I have nothing of great value to add.
My 3 nieces and 1 nephew ages 25 to 31, voted for Bernie Sanders, and encouraged me to too. (I didn't) When I asked, in an interested way, why they were voting for him, it was unanimous-- "he just seems nice...he's like a grandpa...he wants to make college free". (The 2 who went to college went to very expensive universities and have loans, huh? Nothing but love, but in my mind that was their choice!)
So, this question, well, I wish more of the reasons people gave for choosing Bernie Sanders were detailed, realistic, and measured with intelligent analysis. But from what I've heard, it was really pie in the sky type thinking. For what it's worth, I'm a Democrat so, not trying to be one side vs. the other here. This was just so weird to me, hearing these (not that) young people, my nieces, nephew, and watching them talk like cheer leaders for someone because he was "like a grandpa"! And really, they are not that young as to not be aware. I don't know what happened there re Bernie Sanders, because it really wasn't radical socialism. It all struck me as a bit strange.
Well, my free healthcare costs the Canadian taxpayers a fraction of what the American tax payer pays for Their disfunctional system. Our government does not seem to have a need to gouge students for their education loans either. In most cases, universal social systems run correctly cost way less than all the costs involved in not having them.
When the working force who pays for this stuff gets lower who will pay the cost?
With a budget deficit of $742 billion and $18 trillion in national debt, Americans should ask: Can we really afford to pay for another program that would in all likelihood quickly become another entitlement? Currently the United States provides billions in student need-based financial aid to eligible low- and middle-income students. The administration’s free college proposal would not only reduce the costs of education for many who already qualify for a free or lower-cost education, it would also provide free education for students whose families have the means to pay for part or all of a college education.
In part, working-class families will be forced to subsidize college degrees for rich kids.
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Seeing this question, I can't resist posting, tho' I have nothing of great value to add.
My 3 nieces and 1 nephew ages 25 to 31, voted for Bernie Sanders, and encouraged me to too. (I didn't) When I asked, in an interested way, why they were voting for him, it was unanimous-- "he just seems nice...he's like a grandpa...he wants to make college free". (The 2 who went to college went to very expensive universities and have loans, huh? Nothing but love, but in my mind that was their choice!)
So, this question, well, I wish more of the reasons people gave for choosing Bernie Sanders were detailed, realistic, and measured with intelligent analysis. But from what I've heard, it was really pie in the sky type thinking. For what it's worth, I'm a Democrat so, not trying to be one side vs. the other here. This was just so weird to me, hearing these (not that) young people, my nieces, nephew, and watching them talk like cheer leaders for someone because he was "like a grandpa"! And really, they are not that young as to not be aware. I don't know what happened there re Bernie Sanders, because it really wasn't radical socialism. It all struck me as a bit strange.
This is interesting view.....like grandpa, now that is some different thinking. This leads me to believe they want to be spoiled and never really leave home. So now they are making the schools their second home thanks to taxpayers.
What is comes down to is that Millenials are far more informed now. So much information readily available to form opinions. They see the corruption at the top along with the greed of the top 1%. It is too much to handle for many young minds to accept. And why should they either?. The whole place can be better than it is now. So why do just a few control it all and proclaim we live in a democracy. Makes no sense to anybody most especially Millenials.
Millenials fear the future in the hands of a few greedy old men.
More well informed? Looking up a topic on your smart phone so you can be the first one in your group to sound smarter than the others, isn't being well informed.
In fact it is quite alarming in fact when you talk to some younger people(not all) and they don't know who Martin Luther King was or when the Vietnam war took place. I actually overheard a millennial say after the recent MLK bio film "Selma", say "I didn't know it was a true story".
Knowing all the latest apps and being more savvy than older people with technology doesn't make you smarter in the long run.
As the saying goes "Those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it".
I am really frightened by the fact that Bernie Sanders and his radical socialist agenda is so popular with a lot of young people. Most millennials--who were not around when the USSR was in existence--lack a total understanding of the dangers posed by Marxism. Everybody wants the government to provide free stuff for them, but a lot of people don't understand the high price tag associated with these "freebies." I seem to recall that even the very liberal New York Times mentioned that Sanders agenda is based on unrealistic thinking. But what scares me is that the Democratic Party continues to drift further and further to the left.
I honestly do not understand why so many people find far-left ideas appealing. As I indicated previously, the only explanation as to why I think that such ideas are making a comeback is that many of Sanders' voters were not alive when the Soviet Union was around.
Why the surprise?
The USA has been socialist since 1933.
What do you think FICA / Social Security is? It's national socialism.
Compulsory charity.
Expropriation of property for the benefit of another.
Ironically, the law says it is 100% voluntary - yet millions believe participation is mandatory.
Kudos to the world's greatest propaganda ministry.
Of course, socialism eventually fails when it runs out of 'other people's money' and 'other people's children.' Takers eventually outpace Makers, and the system collapses.
This is interesting view.....like grandpa, now that is some different thinking. This leads me to believe they want to be spoiled and never really leave home. So now they are making the schools their second home thanks to taxpayers.
Interesting thought, because they all actually still live at home!, which I don't understand. Another subject, but is characteristic of a problematic frame of mind.
By the way, I know of 3 people who live here without citizenship, and. have citizenship in Canada so that they can use their healthcare. If they have surgery, etc., they go to family in Canada for 2 weeks, a month, and get the medical treatment they need, and come right back here. So, how on earth does Canada do it? They must be aware of this kind of thing going on no?
Seeing this question, I can't resist posting, tho' I have nothing of great value to add.
My 3 nieces and 1 nephew ages 25 to 31, voted for Bernie Sanders, and encouraged me to too. (I didn't) When I asked, in an interested way, why they were voting for him, it was unanimous-- "he just seems nice...he's like a grandpa...he wants to make college free". (The 2 who went to college went to very expensive universities and have loans, huh? Nothing but love, but in my mind that was their choice!)
So, this question, well, I wish more of the reasons people gave for choosing Bernie Sanders were detailed, realistic, and measured with intelligent analysis. But from what I've heard, it was really pie in the sky type thinking. For what it's worth, I'm a Democrat so, not trying to be one side vs. the other here. This was just so weird to me, hearing these (not that) young people, my nieces, nephew, and watching them talk like cheer leaders for someone because he was "like a grandpa"! And really, they are not that young as to not be aware. I don't know what happened there re Bernie Sanders, because it really wasn't radical socialism. It all struck me as a bit strange.
Why didn't you ask them and how is college supposed to be free? Someone has to pay for it.
Yes, it is pie in the sky thinking. It's pretty scary how some younger people think these days. Or don't actually think.
Of course the dialogue was much longer then posting here, my point was to respond to this question by the o.p., and the assumption (?) of radical socialism being what was taking place over these last months politically, and if thats what it was at all. (at least some of the time)
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Keep your taxes to yourself there comrade..."free" things are the most expensive things in reality.
