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Old 07-28-2016, 01:59 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Oh, I thought you were referring to radical fascism.

Never mind, just another misguided Socialism=Democratic Socialism=Communism screed. Carry on.
How does democracy, facism, socialism, communism (or any collectivist/statist nightmare) differ in terms of individual freedom? All such systems require and advocate widespread aggression, violence, coercion upon the individual in order to exist. They are all barbaric forms of "justified" slavery, aggression, and oppression of some for the benefit of others.

Being misguided (immoral and evil) is condoning any of those barbaric systems of coercion and calling their results "society". When in reality they are all forms of tyranny which impose the will of some upon others. They are all anti-freedom and anti-human.

Live and let live.
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Old 07-28-2016, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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How does democracy, facism, socialism, communism (or any collectivist/statist nightmare) differ in terms of individual freedom? All such systems require and advocate widespread aggression, violence, coercion upon the individual in order to exist. They are all barbaric forms of "justified" slavery, aggression, and oppression of some for the benefit of others.

Being misguided (immoral and evil) is condoning any of those barbaric systems of coercion and calling their results "society". When in reality they are all forms of tyranny which impose the will of some upon others. They are all anti-freedom and anti-human.

Live and let live.
And libertarians think aggression, violence, and coercion can be wished away by declaring "freedom".
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Old 07-28-2016, 05:05 PM
 
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I am really frightened by the fact that Bernie Sanders and his radical socialist agenda is so popular with a lot of young people. Most millennials--who were not around when the USSR was in existence--lack a total understanding of the dangers posed by Marxism. Everybody wants the government to provide free stuff for them, but a lot of people don't understand the high price tag associated with these "freebies." I seem to recall that even the very liberal New York Times mentioned that Sanders agenda is based on unrealistic thinking. But what scares me is that the Democratic Party continues to drift further and further to the left.

I honestly do not understand why so many people find far-left ideas appealing. As I indicated previously, the only explanation as to why I think that such ideas are making a comeback is that many of Sanders' voters were not alive when the Soviet Union was around.
Because some people believe they are entitled to free stuff. And when their beliefs are challenged as deranged then they really become unhinged and deranged.
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Old 07-28-2016, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Exeter, NH
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Socialism is now popular because much of our population is too young to remember what Russia SHOWED us: that the vast majority of the populations of socialist nations live in absolute, mind-numbing poverty, and even their leaders don't have many luxuries. Socialism sounds great, but it tries to defy the most fundamental rule of human psychology: that we all do what benefits us most. Capitalism accepts this rule and uses it for the advantage of all.

Anyone else remember when Boris Yeltsin visited the U.S. in 1989 and saw an American supermarket? He thought the full shelves were STAGED for his visit. His comment to his entourage was that if Russian citizens could see the conditions of U.S. supermarkets, “there would be a revolution.” When Boris Yeltsin went grocery shopping in Clear Lake - The Texican

If you don't believe me, try to find a single "utopian" community or nation based on socialist principles--and there have been countless numbers of them--that has lasted past the experimental stage.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:33 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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And libertarians think aggression, violence, and coercion can be wished away by declaring "freedom".
Who is wishing away aggression? Libertarians believe that retaliatory force is just. (Actually the only just form of force.)

Unlike "liberals" and "conservatives" who exclusively use widespread aggression, violence, and coercion to impose their personal will upon others. They ONLY use government aggression for everything that they desire.

Maximum individual human freedom can only be realized when no person, group, or government has a "right" to initiate force upon any person, group, or government.

As long as "government" is an institution of violence, aggression, and coercion, "its" "society" will consist only of thugs and tyrants. Human beings don't use aggression to get their way, animals do.
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Old 07-29-2016, 03:15 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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You are all missing the point..........they all love Bernie, not because of what he is...........

It is because who he ISN'T..........

Think about it.........



And then they turned their backs on him when he endorsed the Hildebeast.


Did he stop being who he was or did he stop being what he was?
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Old 07-29-2016, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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How realistic are Bernie's proposals for solving much of that?
Well, those ideas make Canada a much better place to live for the working poor. How about this one. Our new "LIBERAL" government just instituted a new child benefit. One of my daughteres is a single mother of three young children. She is working in a greenhouse for minimum wage. It's difficult for her to make basic expenses with her income. From now on she will recieve a tax free payment of $1800 a month to help out. THat will cover her housing and her food expenses. The intent of this programme is to life struggling families up out of POVERTY. To the RWNJs this is a horrible thing. They want all of the benefits of living in a rich country for themselves. It will cost no more to run this programme than the tax cuts for the rich made by our previous RWNJ government. By the way, after a decade in power these conservatives are done like dinner in this country. I doubt we will see them in power again for at least 20 years and maybe longer. It was like the scales fell from Canadian's eyes and they finally saw clearly what and who these people represent.
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Old 07-29-2016, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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The cost of college. If colleges weren't increasing their tuitions 7%/year this wouldn't be happening.
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Old 07-29-2016, 12:20 PM
 
Location: NY, NY
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Socialism is now popular because much of our population is too young to remember what Russia SHOWED us: that the vast majority of the populations of socialist nations live in absolute, mind-numbing poverty, and even their leaders don't have many luxuries. Socialism sounds great, but it tries to defy the most fundamental rule of human psychology: that we all do what benefits us most. Capitalism accepts this rule and uses it for the advantage of all.

Anyone else remember when Boris Yeltsin visited the U.S. in 1989 and saw an American supermarket? He thought the full shelves were STAGED for his visit. His comment to his entourage was that if Russian citizens could see the conditions of U.S. supermarkets, “there would be a revolution.” When Boris Yeltsin went grocery shopping in Clear Lake - The Texican

If you don't believe me, try to find a single "utopian" community or nation based on socialist principles--and there have been countless numbers of them--that has lasted past the experimental stage.
The socialism of Bernie Sanders, as has been point out many times on this thread, is not even close to the USSR model but closer to what you would find in Canada.
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Old 07-29-2016, 12:24 PM
 
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It is mostly the parents fault. Also, globalism, they don't want the US to be odd man out, do it because everybody else is. Following our own path is "exceptionalism" or something and probably racist. Parents didn't ask their kids if everyone else jumped off a cliff would you follow?
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