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Old 07-28-2016, 03:57 PM
 
Location: NY
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I don't know who hacked the DNC emails.
And that's the problem, nobody knows who hacked the DNC.

And if Assange is such toady to the Russians, why is he in the Ecuadorian Embassy and not the Russian Embassy?
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Old 07-28-2016, 03:58 PM
 
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And that's the problem, nobody knows who hacked the DNC.

And if Assange is such toady to the Russians, why is he in the Ecuadorian Embassy and not the Russian Embassy?
I believe he was being chased by British authorities and ducked in there for shelter.
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Old 07-28-2016, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Snowden went from Hawaii to Hong Kong, then requested asylum from Russia and fled there.
No. This was all covered in Citizenfour, the documentary about Snowden WITH Snowden in it.

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  1. SNOWDEN DID NOT CHOOSE ASYLUM IN RUSSIA: Julian Assange makes a cameo appearance in the documentary explaining that Wikileaks helped get Snowden from Hong Kong to Russia, but not how. In the film, an unconvinced Snowden discusses leaving the Hong Kong hotel with Jonathan Man, a human rights lawyer while speaking to an unconvincing Robert Tibbo on the phone from the UNHCR. Sarah Harrison, editor at Wikileaks accompanied Snowden on the flight from Hong Kong to Russia and stayed with him in the transit zone while he applied for asylum to different 21 countries and afterwards in Russia for three months after he was granted asylum there. It later transpired that he plan had been to travel to Ecuador, where he had been granted asylum via Russia but by the time they reached the transit in Moscow airport, the U.S. had cancelled Snowden’s passport making any onward travel impossible without valid documents.
Learn more about it all here.
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Old 07-28-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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Yeah... and you think Snowden went to Russia of all places as an ex-USA intelligence guy thinking he could waltz right in and out freely? Really?

He's not dumb. He went there knowing the deal: Russians will protect him and give him a decent life if he plays ball with the Russians. Oh, and Julian Assange, who advised him on that move, knew this as well. These are smart guys.

He knew he could stay out of jail. mmmkay...
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Old 07-28-2016, 04:44 PM
 
Location: United States
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I doubt Trump is in cahoots with the Russians, but I think he says a lot of flippant, off-hand things that are dangerous and play into Putin's hand. Who the hell do you think benefits if NATO goes down? As Commander in Chief, should you really be making "jokes" about inviting the Russians to hack American targets? Who do you think Putin would rather deal with as President: Trump or Hillary? Based on their public Bromance, I think it's clear it's Trump (and Putin wouldn't pick him if he didn't think he can get something out of him more easily than Hillary).

The corruption at the DNC leadership level to collude with Hillary is bad; the hacking that occurred is bad. Both can be bad at the same time.

Trump didn't say he would dismantle NATO, he said it need to become relevant again, and be able to deal with the problems we face today, namely terrorism.

Since then, NATO has decided to take steps to address terrorism.

Trump's not even president yet, and is already making positive change.
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Old 07-28-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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No. This was all covered in Citizenfour, the documentary about Snowden WITH Snowden in it.

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Edward Snowden made his first request for political asylum in Russia on 30 June 2013, which was delivered to Russian consular officials from the international transit section of Moscow’s Sheremetyevo airport by Sarah Harrison, a journalist and legal adviser with WikiLeaks.
https://edwardsnowden.com/asylum-requests/
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Old 07-28-2016, 04:52 PM
 
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I believe he was being chased by British authorities and ducked in there for shelter.
The British don't give a rats ass about Assange. They wish they didn't have to deal with it. Assange is in that embassy to keep from being extricated to the USA at the behest of the Obama Justice Department. They are infuriated and want their revenge.

Assange doesn't believe he will get a fair treatment by the Obama administration and given Obama's history on these matters, I completely agree with him.
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Old 07-28-2016, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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I always found it strange that when Snowden left the United States he first went to Hong Kong (China) and made his way to Russia. Maybe he was avoiding visiting countries where the United States has extradition treaties with?
Geez, do ya think?
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Old 07-28-2016, 05:23 PM
 
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The British don't give a rats ass about Assange. They wish they didn't have to deal with it. Assange is in that embassy to keep from being extricated to the USA at the behest of the Obama Justice Department. They are infuriated and want their revenge.

Assange doesn't believe he will get a fair treatment by the Obama administration and given Obama's history on these matters, I completely agree with him.
"Why is he inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London?

The saga began in Sweden.

Mr Assange was in the country in August 2010, to speak at a conference. While he was there he met two women and had sex with them. They later filed complaints of rape and molestation - accusations that he denied. Mr Assange was questioned but never charged, and left the country.
On November 20, Interpol issued a Red Notice for Mr Assange's arrest. A week later he gave himself up, appeared before a judge in Westminster, and in December 2010 was granted bail after his supporters paid £240,000 in cash and sureties.

Legal wrangling in the UK continued until June 2012, with the Swedish prosecutors calling for him to be extradited, and Mr Assange's lawyers saying that if he was sent to Sweden he would be at risk of then being extradited to the US.

On June 19, 2012, he fled bail and applied for asylum in Ecuador, through the embassy in Knightsbridge. But police encircled the embassy and refused to allow him to leave: the UK says its courts have ruled he must be sent to Sweden.

Ecuador granted him asylum in August 2012, but as soon as he sets foot outside the building Britain will deport him to Sweden. He has been inside the embassy ever since."

Why is Julian Assange still inside the embassy of Ecuador? - Telegraph
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:09 PM
 
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Who do you think Putin would rather deal with as President: Trump or Hillary? Based on their public Bromance, I think it's clear it's Trump (and Putin wouldn't pick him if he didn't think he can get something out of him more easily than Hillary.
Who do you think has 30000 of Hilliarys emails? Do you think she can be bribed. Quit being childish.
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