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People in this thread need an education on this topic. Pure ignorance.
You guys do know that both fascists Mussolini and Hitler in particular used the word Socialism in their parties to gain popularity yes? Meaning that the label is useless, but the actions are not. Actions speak louder than words, no?
It actually IS a Leftist ideal to subordinate the rights of the individual to that of the collective society, which is what BOTH Mussolini and Hitler (and the NAZI Party) spoke of and did.
Maybe some in this thread should revisit their lack of education on the issue.
It actually IS a Leftist ideal to subordinate the rights of the individual to that of the collective society, which is what BOTH Mussolini and Hitler (and the NAZI Party) spoke of and did.
Maybe some in this thread should revisit their lack of education on the issue.
Yes because the right never tries to tell a woman that she is forced to be a baby factory even in cases of rape, the right never tells a man he can't marry another man, the right never tells women they have to dress and behave a certain way to be "good" and "pure", the right never denied refugees under the premise of protecting "America's culture" which revolves around only white America, the right has never supported policies/corporations that take water away from the Natives by building a pipeline through their land and sending attack dogs under the premise of O&G industry being the royal monarchs of America...
Yeah, the right never takes away rights from the individual to serve their selfish, greedy desires and their snobbish "only my morals are the right morals because God said so in the Bible" nonsense with extreme rightist fundamentalism we see ruining this country, that has created easily one of the most fascist-like political candidates in American history to ever potentially be our President...
Failing to see how any of the above does NOT mean taking rights away from the individuals to support a forced, collective, brainwashed, extreme Puritan lifestyle which is NOT what your beloved Founding Fathers would have ever wanted.
Yes because the right never tries to tell a woman that she is forced to be a baby factory even in cases of rape, the right never tells a man he can't marry another man, the right never tells women they have to dress and behave a certain way to be "good" and "pure", the right never denied refugees under the premise of protecting "America's culture" which revolves around only white America, the right has never supported policies/corporations that take water away from the Natives by building a pipeline through their land and sending attack dogs under the premise of O&G industry being the royal monarchs of America...
Whatever you'd like to think, it's Lefties who promoted eugenics to eliminate the birth of "undesirables." Lefty voters (Blacks and Latinos) were the highest percentage voter groups for approving Prop 8 (banning same sex marriage) in California. Labor unions were created for the purpose of excluding minorities from jobs. Both of the fascists Mussolini and Hitler (and the Nazi Party) espoused and enacted the Lefty political concept of subordinating the rights of the individual to that of the collective society.
Human freedom and obedience to non-aggression. Libertarianism, agorism , anarchism, voluntarism, whatever you would call it. Live and let live. The evil institution of aggression, violence, and coercion, the Holy State is always the problem. It is always the primary source of evil, aggression, deprivation, slavery, and murder for the benefit of some at the expense of others.
So without any authority, people would all just be nice and polite. Tell mommy it's time to take away your story books.
Your assertion that Trump is a fascist, and by extension anyone that supports him is a fascist, is nonsense.
The most commonly cited example of fascism is the Mussolini government. Mussolini was a member of the Italian Socialists for 14 years before he headed the Fascist party.
More to the point, the 'fascism' accusation is meaningless because there is no common definition of fascism because it has taken many forms. The single common thread amongst fascist governments is that they are Statist political systems typically involving control over corporate activity through political policy. Other aspects of them provide significant differentiation.
The real goal of the accusation is to smear Trump. Most people know absolutely nothing about fascism except that it's bad (and it is). But it's a completely hollow accusation. It's what the Left does.
"For Fascism, society is the end, individuals the means, and its whole life consists in using individuals as instruments for its social ends." - Alfredo Rocco, Mussolini's Minister of Justice, speaking at Perugia, August 30, 1925
"The higher interests involved in the life of the whole...must set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual." -Hitler, speaking at Bueckeburg, October 7, 1933
Both are describing socialism, which is left-wing .
NEITHER describe socialism. Get informed for god's sake. Try reading those quotes with the realization that Mussolini defined fascism as being a right-wing ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism, and Mussolini wrote "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."
Dictionaries defined fascism as a political system based on the merging of corporate interests with government until the 1940's when large corporations began buying up dictionary publishers. At that point the definition was changed to what we find today.
My rather old American Heritage Dictionary (1973) defines it as "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."
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The NAZI Party actually identified itself as (English translation) "The National Socialist German Workers' Party." (In German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.)
And you fell for it just like the German people did. And Hillary didn't receive any classified emails either, right?
It is just very convenient for the right to parrot Hitler's "Socialist German Workers' Party" and claim he was a socialist. It much too easy and self serving to pass it up and look for the truth. I understand that. But don't try to pass off that BS on me.
The Left knows that the term 'fascism' is a 'bad word' politically. It has exclusively negative connotations. Therefore they accuse the Right of being fascists because they know that most Americans only know that it's a 'bad word' without having any actual understanding of what actually constitutes Fascism. It's simple propaganda and the exploitation of public illiteracy. They do it all the time.
Well then why don't you or Informed Consent try to refute the history and facts I posted in the 19th page of this thread? But since attention spans may be a problem, here is the short version:
Mussolini coined the word "fascism". He was the first to apply it to a governing philosophy. So his explanation or definition of the word is the one that counts.
Mussolini defined fascism as being "a right-wing ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism."
Mussolini's economic system was adapted in modified form under other European dictatorships, among them Adolf Hitler's National Socialist regime in Germany and the Spanish regime of Francisco Franco.
Hitler, upon taking power:
Arrested and executed Communists (not very "socialist", but VERY "right wing")
Arrested and executed Socialists (not very "socialist", but VERY "right wing")
Outlawed unions and arrested their leadership (not very "socialist", but VERY "right wing")
Forced intellectuals and professors to join the Nazi Party, or else arrest and...? (Einstein and hundreds of others emigrated) (not very "socialist", but VERY "right wing")
Established a close relationship with industrialists and financiers (German and international) (not very "socialist", but VERY "right wing")
Try reading those quotes with the realization that Mussolini defined fascism as being a right-wing ideology in opposition to socialism
Makes no sense. Mussolini was indeed a socialist, and he and his government frequently advocated the subordination of individual rights to that of the collective society. In Switzerland in the early 20th century, he wrote for socialist publications like L’Avvenire del Lavoratore (English translation: The Worker’s Future). In his articles, speeches, etc., Mussolini praised Karl Marx. And later, Mussolini became the editor of Avanti! (English translation: Forward!), the official daily newspaper of Italy’s Socialist Party.
Well then why don't you or Informed Consent try to refute the history and facts I posted in the 19th page of this thread?
We did. You're deliberately trying to ignore actual historical FACTS.
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"If the 19th century was the century of the individual we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State." - Benito MussoliniFrom: Essays on Fascism by Benito Mussolini, Oswald Mosley, Alfredo Rocco, Giovanni Gentile
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