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Old 09-08-2016, 07:05 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BJSO3cfXm4

For any true southern man or woman tired of the crap. Songs like this lift me up every day,Also listen to some Rebel Son. The song is 100% right. For every one they burn thousands more rise,our enemies write the history of our people!
The music & lyrics are not really my 'cup of tea' however, to each his own.

Who are the enemies that have written the history of your people? (In the same vein as above post, who are your people?)

The Constitution of the Confederate States of America, the 'Cornerstone Speech' & others, the articles of secession written on behalf of the various CSA States & people were all written by your people? Is that right?
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Old 09-08-2016, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Although you & I probably would not have much common ground, I do very much appreciate your straightforwardness & honesty.

Hope you don't mind my curiosity? Do you see yourself as an American? Or, as a Confederate-American? Or something other? My interest doesn't stem from a language or labeling perspective but is maybe more like from an identification aspect. How would you describe yourself & what are your aspirations, for example, what would you like to see happen in this Country in the future?

The other, perhaps more even more intrusive question I have relates to this quote from the above article:

"Dixiecrats resurrected the "Southern Cross" flag as a political symbol around the time President Harry Truman supported efforts to end lynchings and desegregate the military in 1948. During that same period, the Ku Klux Klan began using the flag more widely."

Supporters of the Confederate States of America were also very straightforward & honest in expressing their thoughtviews on White Supremacy. Do you, in the present day, share their beliefs re:?

If so, how would your belief system be reconciled with the Civil Rights movement?
I see my self first and foremost a white man. A member of the white race. As far as country wise yes I see myself as a Southerner. There is no CSA any longer so its just the Southerner title. I describe myself as a Racial Socialist. I believe whatever is good for my race is the greatest thing and whatever is bad for it is the greatest evil. I believe strongly the country will split eventually into ethnic/racial enclaves OR the country as a whole will collapse under the stress of the next bubble bursting. Things are so much worse than they were in 2008....racial tensions are extremely high compared to then its like taking a match to gasoline IMO. I believe each race has superior qualities but I want to advance mine and mine only. I am an odd Southerner since MOST are very christian religious types. I also don't think the vast majority of southerners who admire the confederate flag are racist or believe in white supremacy I believe we are people who admire and love our identity and culture and history and don't want to see it disappear like it is. I see the Confederate flag as a flag of rebelliousness against cultural marxism,political correctness,liberalism etc etc...Its why I believe even foreign armies/rebels have used our flag as its a flag of rebellion and revolution. Finally my belief system can't be reconciled with the CR movement. I think the US can't grow as is intended with this many different races wanting to pull it in so many directions and that's adding to the destruction and downfall of the US.
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Old 09-08-2016, 10:56 PM
 
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The music & lyrics are not really my 'cup of tea' however, to each his own.

Who are the enemies that have written the history of your people? (In the same vein as above post, who are your people?)

The Constitution of the Confederate States of America, the 'Cornerstone Speech' & others, the articles of secession written on behalf of the various CSA States & people were all written by your people? Is that right?
I am sure I answered that in my first reply to you. If not the enemies of my people are first and foremost the federal government and EVERYTHING it controls. Its a DEEP subject I am not sure I could honestly go into here without being banned. To put it simply I believe there is ONE "entity" that controls everything vital to controlling the world as a whole. Its ultimate goal is the destruction of my people IMO. I am OUT there to most people but if you met me in real life you not even know I was any different than anyone else. I work within the system to destroy the system but its doing a good enough job of it its self so. Course I think the overrunning of our borders and burdening the welfare system is just all part of a LARGER plan for a new world order.
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:08 PM
 
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Dems tied support to PP to the bill. It should be against the law to tie in ANYTHING to bills. That is why nothing gets done in Washington. Make it a clean bill for heaven sakes. Stop messing around.
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:37 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Good. Stop trying to destroy history because you don't like it.
1. It's disgusting of you to oppose health measures that can save lives because you want to make a racist political statement.

2. You can do whatever you want on your property, but we should absolutely destroy history from our current PUBLIC societal procedures when it is premised on racism and hate and does not fit our values.
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Old 09-09-2016, 06:17 AM
 
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1. It's disgusting of you to oppose health measures that can save lives because you want to make a racist political statement.

2. You can do whatever you want on your property, but we should absolutely destroy history from our current PUBLIC societal procedures when it is premised on racism and hate and does not fit our values.
I apologize for encouraging him. The procedural maneuvering illustrated by some of our legislators mirrors this dynamic, opposition to beneficial legislation in favor of the sometimes harmful.

Some of the perceived wounds have been festering since the Civil Rights Movements of the 1950s - 60s. Dylan Roof was/is mentally, emotionally, & spiritually ill, apparently he had no outlet for healthy expression, his perceived wounds remained covered & untreated, those closest to him probably knew he needed help.

& by the way, I strongly believe it's not all Southerners that oppose civil rights, I know that for a fact. Notwithstanding some members here have expressed something akin to 'it's a Southern thing.'

Back during the 50s - 60s, it was more of a 'Confederate-American thing' but even then that did not encompass the thoughtviews of all people living in those States. Back then, it wasn't about Democrat or Republican, most of those legislators opposing or resisting civil rights were from the former Confederate States although, stating the obvious, they did not represent all of the people. Our history is not irrelevant in the present day.

"You don't need to know too much history to understand that the South from the civil war to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 tended to be opposed to minority rights. This factor was separate from party identification or ideology. We can easily control for this variable by breaking up the voting by those states that were part of the confederacy and those that were not."

(Please see link for breakdown)

"You can see that geography was far more predictive of voting coalitions on the Civil Rights than party affiliation. What linked Dirksen and Mansfield was the fact that they weren't from the south. In fact, 90% of members of Congress from states (or territories) that were part of the Union voted in favor of the act, while less than 10% of members of Congress from the old Confederate states voted for it. This 80pt difference between regions is far greater than the 15pt difference between parties."

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...f-civil-rights[/quote]

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Old 09-09-2016, 07:45 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You people are funny:



This is also the perfect time to address the ban on the confederate flag, let's make funding for Zika as complicated as possible.


That is our government at work.
Piggy backing legislation to really important bills, to sneak it past the congress and the American people..

You have to sign it, to see what's in it.... Remember that deal?
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Old 09-09-2016, 09:31 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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You're right. Good.

So is it OK to discuss how bad slavery was ad infinitum without being told to "quit talking about it...no one alive now was a slave."

Well, none of you lived in the Confederacy either.
But our ancestors did and I am so tired of hearing them badmouthed. They were certainly no worse than anyone else at that time.

I don't want one penny of my tax money going to planned parenthood. So we have a choice between murdering babies and having their brains destroyed. Nothing should be tied to funding to get rid of the virus. But this is how government works and unless the rules are changed we will have to live with it.
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Old 09-09-2016, 09:38 PM
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1. It's disgusting of you to oppose health measures that can save lives because you want to make a racist political statement.

2. You can do whatever you want on your property, but we should absolutely destroy history from our current PUBLIC societal procedures when it is premised on racism and hate and does not fit our values.
Did anybody in the North learn ANY history? I get the idea they didn't from statements you just made. The ONLY flag connected to slavery was the American Flag. The confederate flag was a battle flag. There was slavery here before the country was founded and the generals took their slaves along to battle for their comfort on both sides of the battle. The war was really about economics and the slaves were just pawns. The south was becoming too successful.

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Old 09-09-2016, 09:48 PM
 
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Did anybody in the North learn ANY history? I get the idea they didn't from statements you just made. The ONLY flag connected to slavery was the American Flag. The confederate flag was a battle flag. Please show me where the war ended slavery. You can't because it didn't. There was slavery here before the country was founded and the generals took their slaves along to battle for their comfort on both sides of the battle. The war was really about economics and the slaves were just pawns. The south was becoming too successful.
Yes my point for years on this forum and the Slavery issue did not come latter, because Lincoln needed more Soldiers!


For the outraged Liberals there was about equal amount of Blacks that owned slaves.


The cotton crop was the other issue. The south prices were high compared to India and other countries that grew cotton.
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