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Democrat leftists and their equivalent in the EU and the UK rejoicing in dishonesty, depravity and deceit, as usual.
If you had any sense of honor, or capacity for shame, you would not be celebrating this treachery, which has resulted in the fall of any kind of trustworthy democracy in the United Kingdom, right before our eyes. That is what we have witnessed here today, regardless of whether you have the mental capacity to realize it or not. This is not something that anyone will want to celebrate, unless they are evil to the core.
Go ahead and respond with some lies and some responsibility shifting for us, and then act all proud because you think you are getting away with it.
Oh, get off your high horse, Spartacus. The Brexiteers have demonstrated they don't know what the hell they're doing. If you valued the U.K. in any way, shape or form you would be relieved that these incompetent morons won't be taking the country over the cliff the way they hoped, with no plan, no parachute to mitigate the fall, and no idea what to do once they hit the ground in a huge SPLAT.
That is what they were advocating. The EU took pity on a country that was in the grasp of such incompetent morons threw them a lifeline. The U.K. owes them big time for that.
There is no mandate right now for a no deal Brexit which would screw the UK economy, if the UK public really wants that now that realistic options have been clarified then they will win a referendum on that basis, in which case fair enough, nothing to be scared of there from a Brexiteer perspective surely?
But we can't pretend that the previous referendum where the Brexiteers made all sorts of unicorn claims about how easy it would be to get a great deal etc was a vote for a hard Brexit, many of those who voted to leave would have been doing so on the basis that it would be a much softer break with the EU maintaining single market access etc.
The only way to know for sure is to put it back to the people now that we have much more clarity on the realistic options than was the case 3 years ago.
There is no mandate right now for a no deal Brexit which would screw the UK economy, if the UK public really wants that now that realistic options have been clarified then they will win a referendum on that basis, in which case fair enough, nothing to be scared of there from a Brexiteer perspective surely?
But we can't pretend that the previous referendum where the Brexiteers made all sorts of unicorn claims about how easy it would be to get a great deal etc was a vote for a hard Brexit, many of those who voted to leave would have been doing so on the basis that it would be a much softer break with the EU maintaining single market access etc.
The only way to know for sure is to put it back to the people now that we have much more clarity on the realistic options than was the case 3 years ago.
Exactly. But this is precisely what the Brexiteers do not want. They screwed this up so badly that there's no way they will win a second referendum.
They have no one but themselves to blame. Maybe if they had a plan, or even the inklings of a plan, before they launched the country on this madness. But at this point I doubt it ever even occurred to them that they should think about how to do it. Nope, it was just a race to the cliff right from the start.
Brexiteers killed Brexit. And they did it all by their incompetent little selves.
Oh, get off your high horse, Spartacus. The Brexiteers have demonstrated they don't know what the hell they're doing. If you valued the U.K. in any way, shape or form you would be relieved that these incompetent morons won't be taking the country over the cliff the way they hoped, with no plan, no parachute to mitigate the fall, and no idea what to do once they hit the ground in a huge SPLAT.
That is what they were advocating. The EU took pity on a country that was in the grasp of such incompetent morons threw them a lifeline. The U.K. owes them big time for that.
How is it that the United Kingdom managed to survive as an independent nation for many hundreds of years, and even managed to amass a globe-spanning empire; and yet now you think that they are so dependent upon the European Union that leaving it would cause mass hysteria and economic collapse and starvation in the streets? It is clear that you hold the UK -- or at least those members of it who aren't content to live out their existence licking the boots of their European overlords -- in absolute total and utter contempt.
Notice how quiet our C-D Brexiteers have been today? Even they know that Brexit is dead.
Dear, I said it two weeks ago. Are you looking for a prize? Parliament is on an Easter recess or maybe you didn't even know that.
And BRexit isn't dead. There's going to be hell to pay. But you are so caught up in projecting your Trump deranged issues to this topic, you completely miss what is getting ready to happen.
This topic is about the details. What do you thing the DUP will do? Why did Macron reverse himself and do what he said he wouldn't do. Why did May cross her red lines? What is her own party going to do. Why didn't Corbyn jump on May today and go for the kill? Not one single word from you on any of that.
There's another BRexit topic you want to go on about "white nationalism". Maybe you should go there. You aren't going to find it here.
How is it that the United Kingdom managed to survive as an independent nation for many hundreds of years, and even managed to amass a globe-spanning empire; and yet now you think that they are so dependent upon the European Union that leaving it would cause mass hysteria and economic collapse and starvation in the streets? It is clear that you hold the UK -- or at least those members of it who aren't content to live out their existence licking the boots of their European overlords -- in absolute total and utter contempt.
More like a couple of years of recession followed by neutral growth for a few more. Somewhere in the region of 2007 seems realistic.
That wasn't on the cards at the referendum it was all milk and honey.
But what about the Polish plumbers and the Romanian riffraff?
What about all those young folks who are unable to afford apartments?
What about all the Brexiteers who are hoping to turn back of the clock to those thrilling days of yesterday when Britain was on the upswing?
What about them?
You are very poor at sarcasm. Keep practising. We have been fighting a remain Parliament, and a PM who voted remain from day one. The politicians, and even the civil service have plotted since the vote, to ensure we never leave the EU. They had no intention of obeying the will of the majority who voted leave.
If we don't leave the EU, the mass immigration to my country will continue. You think we should celebrate this? The problems we have now with housing, schools, social services, the NHS, will get even worse. The social fabric will continue to unravel, and unrest in the population will continue to grow. You think this is a good thing, and boy, thank gawd common sense came to the fore?
You think we are going to just shrug our shoulders, and say ah well, we tried? This is just the beginning not the end. These politicians will have to face us at the ballot box sooner or later. They are going to pay a price, and maybe see the rise of a political party they will have no one to blame for but themselves.
We didn't want to turn back the clock. We wanted to stop it advancing to disaster. Maybe there is no other way but a civil war down the line. Perhaps it was always meant to be. This shambles has been decades in the making.
You are very poor at sarcasm. Keep practising. We have been fighting a remain Parliament, and a PM who voted remain from day one. The politicians, and even the civil service have plotted since the vote, to ensure we never leave the EU. They had no intention of obeying the will of the majority who voted leave.
If we don't leave the EU, the mass immigration to my country will continue. You think we should celebrate this? The problems we have now with housing, schools, social services, the NHS, will get even worse. The social fabric will continue to unravel, and unrest in the population will continue to grow. You think this is a good thing, and boy, thank gawd common sense came to the fore?
You think we are going to just shrug our shoulders, and say ah well, we tried? This is just the beginning not the end. These politicians will have to face us at the ballot box sooner or later. They are going to pay a price, and maybe see the rise of a political party they will have no one to blame for but themselves.
We didn't want to turn back the clock. We wanted to stop it advancing to disaster. Maybe there is no other way but a civil war down the line. Perhaps it was always meant to be. This shambles has been decades in the making.
This is where Trump came from here in the US, by the way. From this same place that you have described above.
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You are very poor at sarcasm. Keep practising. We have been fighting a remain Parliament, and a PM who voted remain from day one. The politicians, and even the civil service have plotted since the vote, to ensure we never leave the EU. They had no intention of obeying the will of the majority who voted leave.
If we don't leave the EU, the mass immigration to my country will continue. You think we should celebrate this? The problems we have now with housing, schools, social services, the NHS, will get even worse. The social fabric will continue to unravel, and unrest in the population will continue to grow. You think this is a good thing, and boy, thank gawd common sense came to the fore?
You think we are going to just shrug our shoulders, and say ah well, we tried? This is just the beginning not the end. These politicians will have to face us at the ballot box sooner or later. They are going to pay a price, and maybe see the rise of a political party they will have no one to blame for but themselves.
We didn't want to turn back the clock. We wanted to stop it advancing to disaster. Maybe there is no other way but a civil war down the line. Perhaps it was always meant to be. This shambles has been decades in the making.
The problem with Britain staying in the EU is that we are never gooing to be prepared to give up the pound for the Euro, to give up our borders to Schenghen, to give up more of laws and sovereignty to Brussels, and are not prepared to sign up to ever more federal legislation.
Even Parliament realises that the country is even deeply divided in terms of the issue and a second referendum would do nothing but inflame the situation further.
The French want us out of the EU precisely because we are going to block progress if we stay, and this will become worse if we have to vote in a European Parliament, as there will be even more populist MEP's and parties such as UKIP winning seats.
Personally I think Theresa May won't last much longer, and I very much doubt she will be PM in 2020, as for Corbyn I think he will eventually be defeated by a more significant amount than last time by a new Tory leader, although knowng Corbyn he will probably proclaim victory.
We need a Brexiteer to replace May, and senior party members like Sir Bill Cash caling for May to go, should start to worry her, as she has the current Brexit mess, local elections in May, a party conference later in the year and the possibility of European elections if a Brexit agreement isn't reached. Lets face it she's dead in the water and as soon as the Tories get their chance they will oust her.
Then again lets face it every one involved in this is a goner, Macron is the most unpopular French leader since the French cut oiff the head of Marie-Antoinette, whilst Merkel let all those immgrants in to Germany and is now stepping down in 2021 before she is pushed, and the last of the three M's is May who won't last the year.
As for Juncker and Tusk, they are just unelected eurocrats, who are on massive wages, massive expenses and have massive pensions, and they are not accountable to anyone. Although in terms of Juncker his drinking has raised a few eyebrows even in the EU and I think he may eventually be put out to pasture, and of course there were those dodgy tax deals he did when he was Prime Minister of mighty Luxembourg, whilst Tusk is extremely disliked in his native Poland, where he was previously Prime Minister. Indeed the Poles never wanted Junker to become President of the European Council, and in 2017 Poland's foreign minister called Tusk an 'icon of evil and stupidity.
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This is where Trump came from here in the US, by the way. From this same place that you have described above.
I recognised it as I watched Trump's campaign in 2016. Folks are fed up of seeing the minority prosper, while the majority are left picking at the crumbs. Like Americans, I have seen the change in my lifetime.
Used to be ordinary folks were full of hope for a better future. It was there to be grabbed if you worked hard. I grew up in the English version of the projects. Ordinary working class people striving to make a better life. The chance was there with hard work, and I took it. Had my first mortgage when I was 24 years old. Moved upwards, had a job with a good pension, and lived my life.
All I want for the young of England is the same chance for them. It is harder than it's ever been, and most only dream of owning their own home. Instead, they are stuck paying massive rents, for those that can even afford that.
The EU has done nothing for them. All they witness is invasion of their towns by foreigners, and decline in their surroundings. These folks want out of the EU, and won't give up till they get it. The politicians have opened Pandora's Box, and are going to see major change down the line in how folks vote. All respect for politicians is gone, and anger is simmering under the surface.
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