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Old 12-07-2016, 09:12 PM
 
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I follow the credentials of those who are actually educated, at the highest levels, in climate science. So, are you saying that the world's climate scientists are all wrong about climate change and its dangers? If so, what are your credentials and evidence for making such an assertion?
Specifically how many of them agree, not a percentage from some study that has been rebutted but a number. If you want to save yourself the time that information is not available.

 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:16 PM
 
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Aw damn. No more ripping people off with propaganda BS about global warming....wait, climate change...no, I mean "man made" climate change. Where will liberals spend their guilt money now?
You are aware that the world is much larger than the varying political positions of American "liberals," right? That the world's climate scientists are not much interested in American politics? That they haven't devoted their lives to "propaganda BS" for the express purpose of fooling Americans? That the rest of the world's citizenry is absolutely amazed at how ignorant American citizens are with regard to climate change? That we are the only advanced democracy in the world in which a good chunk of the citizenry is actually ignorant enough to believe that there is no man-made climate change?
 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:17 PM
 
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I follow the credentials of those who are actually educated, at the highest levels, in climate science. So, are you saying that the world's climate scientists are all wrong about climate change and its dangers? If so, what are your credentials and evidence for making such an assertion?
There are plenty of climate scientists who don't agree. Some of them are, or were, with the EPA, but the EPA officially muzzled them. They shut down any scientific debate (an unnecessary step right?), telling them their opinions didn't help the legal or policy cases to move forward on climate change measures & that if their opinions were heard, they would have a negative impact on the EPA itself. That's not science, that's politics.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:20 PM
 
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There are plenty of climate scientists who don't agree. Some of them are, or were, with the EPA, but the EPA officially muzzled them. They shut down any scientific debate (an unnecessary step right?), telling them their opinions didn't help the legal or policy cases to move forward on climate change measures & that if their opinions were heard, they would have a negative impact on the EPA itself. That's not science, that's politics.
The way I seperate them is, if they are arguing for real change, such as researching and furthering alternative energies, I'll listen to them.

If their argument boils down to taxes or Wall Street schemes like cap and trade, I dismiss them.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:30 PM
 
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Specifically how many of them agree, not a percentage from some study that has been rebutted but a number. If you want to save yourself the time that information is not available.
No climate scientist disagrees that the acceleration of climate change is real and is anthropogenic. And really, would it make any difference whatsoever what precise "number" I offered? That said, if no number, as you claim, is available, then how can you deny what the vast majority of the world's climate scientists agree upon? Is it that you don't care about your children's future? That you are more interested in being "right" than you are in being correct? That you love this land of America so little that you don't care that its mountains are being blown up, that its rivers are being polluted, that its ecosystems are being destroyed? Loving America is not just an idea. It's a commitment to loving the very land itself. Those who would choose, instead, to destroy it, to sell it off to the highest bidder--increasingly foreign, but also domestic--do not love this land, do not believe in protecting what the Founders nearly died to protect. Coal and oil production, including tracking for natural gas (which is methane gas from coal beds) is insane. It's beyond time to move to renewable energy. As Americans, we should be leading the way in the 21st century, with innovation. It's who we used to be. It's like the parable of the flood. God gives us a ball of energy in the sky, geothermal that could power this nation for a thousand years, winds on the plains and shores. But no, we're hell-bent on destruction, instead--and all for the obscene profit that can be made by private foreign oil corporations and domestic, twisted coal corporations. Slash and burn, slash and burn our own backyards so that Exxon can make even more profits. What sense is there in that if someone is an American who loves this land? And if you believe in any kind of God at all, you better believe that the brutal destruction of the Creation is not going over well.

Meanwhile:

‘Global warming is a hoax’–I wish James Inhofe were just a hoax … | Grist
 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:30 PM
 
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Linda.

In one way.. You do have to give her credit on co-building a VERY successful company.

And, not sure how much you can hold some of the storylines she participated in against her.. I mean, let's be honest.. That's acting. Sonny Bono was pretty well respected as a politician by his end.

But.. Yeah.. I'm not a fan of her myself. Two horrible runs for senate. Not a good choice in my view for a cabinet level position.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:31 PM
 
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Not so much "fun" for your grandchildren, who will inherit a decimated planet.
Better, one should imagine, than having one's financial solvency decimated by a fraudulent governmental scheme, I know we will all agree.

Especially true since the planet will be here long after we are gone. The Earth is completely unaware that we have been here for a few comparative minutes of its existence. Moreover, the Earth does not know we are here now. And once we are gone, for all of the hundreds of millions (or billions) of years that will follow after we have departed, the Earth will not even recognize we have ever been present. Without ever knowing that we were here, the Earth will erase every trace of our former existence.

If all humans disappeared tomorrow, the earth will keep on doing its thing, undergoing the processes that have governed its existence for 4.6 billion years, remaining utterly and completely oblivious to the fact that humans ever existed at all. And in only short a few thousand years, everything that you and I know, and in fact, nearly all traces of humanity and all that it had created during its entire brief existence on this planet will be completely erased by erosion, weathering, rust, decay, and all of the natural processes that govern its behavior. Eventually, there will be no trace whatsoever of human existence on Earth, yet the Earth will still be here, as it was before our arrival.

While it is certain that there will come a sunrise that no human will ever see, it will be the dawn of just another day for Earth.

It will be as if we were never here. And the Earth will still not know we ever existed, nor will it know that we are gone. It will not even care that we were ever here.

























Getting back to the key point:


It's about time we had somebody in government who is willing to call the climate scam for what it is...a transparent gambit for yet more tax revenue.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:32 PM
 
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You may want to research the history of the WWF and how it developed since about 1980 before drawing any conclusions about Mrs. McMahon. At the time it was regional to the northeast including events at a gymnasium near me a little bigger than the average high school gym. By 1985 they filled a stadium for one event. She helps run a billion dollar business....
 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:32 PM
 
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Of course there are no educated (at the highest levels lol) experts who disagree with your cherry picked experts.
Here are my "cherry picked" experts:

‘Global warming is a hoax’–I wish James Inhofe were just a hoax … | Grist
 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:36 PM
 
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What do you know this would be the same building.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbC-13oISBY
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