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Old 11-20-2016, 07:29 PM
 
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Then the qst becomes who is next after France?.

Euro polls would be even more left bent than ours. I think Le Pen is most likely surging ahead now.

She will be elected. The French are sickened of how this once fine nation is being used as public toilet by Muslim immigrants. To visit Paris now is to be greeted with a stench of human waste and rotting street garbage. How french citizens have tolerated it for so long is beyond belief.

I do not think Muslim immigrants have learned how their behavior is pushing them toward deportation. If anything they would intensify their actions , that is of course if they are not stopped.

The Nice truck massacre on Bastille day will never be forgotten in France.

Poor for "centuries"? No, I don't think so.


Large parts of old Paris including the poor areas/slums were destroyed during the great works of Baron Haussmann and subsequent improvements to Paris.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haussm...ation_of_Paris


Les Banlieues are a mixed bag; some are ghettos of poverty, others aren't so bad.


Life in the Paris Banlieues - The New Yorker


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banlieue

St. Denis is a place one has watched over the years slowly change to the point one advises persons going to visit the cathedral to do just that, then leave.


Paris attacks turn spotlight on Saint Denis banlieue - BBC News
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Old 11-20-2016, 07:34 PM
 
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Too many bad things have happened as a result of Europe accepting Muslim refugees with open arms. Not surprising that the French people want to get the hell out of the refugee business. And the liberals have pushed a lot of other things too far. They're seeing the backlash for it and nobody should be all that surprised.

The world wide Conservative backlash continues. Who knows when it ends. Doesn't mean Marine actually wins, but she might.
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Old 11-20-2016, 07:53 PM
 
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Too many bad things have happened as a result of Europe accepting Muslim refugees with open arms. Not surprising that the French people want to get the hell out of the refugee business. And the liberals have pushed a lot of other things too far. They're seeing the backlash for it and nobody should be all that surprised.

The world wide Conservative backlash continues. Who knows when it ends. Doesn't mean Marine actually wins, but she might.

France like Germany already had a large Muslim population. IIRC most of the so called Muslim "terrorists" in that country were born and or at least raised since birth in France.


The problem is the same with many European nations; that is the state comes first over religion and that practice while technically free to exercise it is a private matter.


France went through various upheavals with the Catholic Church during the French Revolution, Napoleon, Restoration of the Bourbons, and the various Republics. Final upshot was *all* religion was removed from public life making the country pretty much secular if you will. Again you are free to do what you want inside your own home or house of worship, but that is where things stop.


French school children are taught to be just that "French". Problem with Muslims, Jews and certain other religions is that their faith governs much of how they live. The whole burka/face veil issue is a clear example of this.
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Old 11-20-2016, 09:09 PM
 
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I wish her luck. When is their election?
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Old 11-21-2016, 06:39 AM
 
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France like Germany already had a large Muslim population. IIRC most of the so called Muslim "terrorists" in that country were born and or at least raised since birth in France.

The problem is the same with many European nations; that is the state comes first over religion and that practice while technically free to exercise it is a private matter.

France went through various upheavals with the Catholic Church during the French Revolution, Napoleon, Restoration of the Bourbons, and the various Republics. Final upshot was *all* religion was removed from public life making the country pretty much secular if you will. Again you are free to do what you want inside your own home or house of worship, but that is where things stop.

French school children are taught to be just that "French". Problem with Muslims, Jews and certain other religions is that their faith governs much of how they live. The whole burka/face veil issue is a clear example of this.
Islam fundamentally conflicts with such a system. Like so many other religions, Islam envisions a future utopia where Islam is the system of government the world over. Call it Sharia Law. Call it whatever you want. From the Muslim point of view, it's the ultimate utopia and one that they are taught to fight to create at all times. They really and truly believe that the whole world will be vastly better off under Sharia Law, even for non-Muslims. There's even a certain amount of historical basis for that thinking. Islam was much more tolerant in the Middle Ages than Christianity. Many Jews and "heretical" Christian groups fled to Islam-controlled territory for that very reason.

Trouble is that Christian nations have become vastly more tolerant while Islam has become increasingly intolerant. Complete and total religious freedom is now well established in the West. No distinction is made between Christian believers, Muslim believers, Buddhist believers, Hindu believers, etc. All have exactly the same rights and identity under the law. The very idea is a foreign concept to Islam.

It really doesn't matter whether your born in the West or not. If you are Muslim then the seeds for radicalization are always there in the Quran and other sacred texts. (The same is true of Christianity and Judaism, but both of those religions have long established a culture of ignoring those parts of the Bible.)
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Old 11-21-2016, 06:57 AM
 
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Marine Le Pen, anti-globalist and anti-open-immigration politician, had been written off as having no chance in France. However, the latest poll shows she has surged into the lead.

She would have problems in the second round when she would be matched up one on one and it won't be easy for her. However, her niece (heir apparent) has high favorability.

Ipsos Poll
Le Pen 29%
Sarkozy 21%
Melenchon 14%
Valls 14%
Others 23%

What is interesting here is that the 2 big right political groups are polling at a combined 60% in France.


LePen finished 3rd in 2012 with 17.9% of the vote and did not advance.
So, conservative Sarkozy is against Le Pen, who is more of a populist than anything else. It will be interesting to see how that goes.
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:05 AM
 
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Now, for some of those gushing over how it's now France's turn to have a 'revolution' like us, are you sure Trump is going to seriously crack down on illegal immigration and build the wall, and things of that sort? Because apparently Trump has already backtracked on his hardline stance on Muslims.

These are the things some of you believe Marine will do, right?
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I don't know much about Le Pen, but if the comparison is to Trump in the US, then it's all show and style and no substance. Trump, predictably is falling in line with the GOP establishment calling the shots barely two weeks post-election. Within a few months they will be helping middle America by gutting education, social security, and medicare, while ushering in inflation and $5.00 gasoline. Well, we still have the green light to be publicly bigoted. That was what it was about here and in France anyway.
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Old 11-21-2016, 08:12 AM
 
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Looks like Sarcozy already lost the right-wing primary, so he is out.
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Old 11-21-2016, 02:42 PM
 
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Looks like Sarcozy already lost the right-wing primary, so he is out.


M. Sarkozy brought far too much baggage (previous time in office, a long list of scandals since leaving, etc....) that he never was going to make it past the first round.


France Sarkozy: Ex-president exits after defeat - BBC News
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