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Old 11-25-2016, 11:46 AM
 
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There is no credible source and never will be unless the California vote is torn down and analyzed.

But anyone with a lick of common sense knows that boatloads of illegals voted in CA as what group of people had the most to lose with a Trump presidency ?
If there is no credible source for cruisetheworlds claim that 3 million illegal immigrants voted in California where is the 3 million figure coming from?an opinion? If we are just going to make stuff up then my opinion says no illegal immigrants voted in California,
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Old 11-25-2016, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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If there is no credible source for cruisetheworlds claim that 3 million illegal immigrants voted in California where is the 3 million figure coming from?
It's probably coming from Moscow. They are working over time supporting their boy.
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Old 11-25-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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I give Obama a ton of credit for being a good face. A very good politician. Good at smiling, waving at cameras, speaking well to the public as he remembered his prewritten script.

Very good at playing the part.
Adding perceptions= Trump looks like he's bitten off more than he can chew, he looks clueless and inept ,he has no idea what he is doing now that the bash Hillary campaign is over..
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Old 11-25-2016, 12:05 PM
 
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I just want to remind people that one of the reasons Trump won was that a lot of people held their nose and voted for him only because Hillary was worse. These "swing voters" can easily go to the right or to the left, and their generally the ones who decide the election. Trump and those who support him the most should keep this in mind for 4 years in time. If Trump can compromise with the liberals on some issues he should be able to extend his term.

I've actually seem some hopeful signs on compromise such as Trump saying he won't pursue charges against Clinton or backed off his position on waterboarding. What worries me more are the people he's surrounding himself with. People like Jeff Sessions or Paul Ryan who have a stronger conservative agenda. Or if Trump does things like cut funding to climate research or cut taxes for the rich.

Just remember there's a quite a large percentage who are on the liberal conservative fence, and their votes can be fickle. Best Trump and his cabinet not get too arrogant. If things go wrong in 4 years time, with a Republican control presidency and Congress it will be harder to blame the liberals for things.
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Old 11-25-2016, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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Then stay in your country, please.
with pleasure!1 FWIW I'm american, born there in the 60's stayed until 2013

Typical RWNJ who love 'Murica no matter what. Telling a college educated, law-abiding, enlisted to serve, 40 year taxpaying American citizen
to stay away. You need more people like me, but ********* then I'll stay here and make room for another border-jumper for you to support then
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Old 11-25-2016, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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I fully anticipate that the Dems will do a replay of what the GOP did in Obama's 8 years. Just keep on Filibustering in the Senate night and day until the American People give you back control of Congress. The only question in my mind is whether the Dems can regain either or both houses in 2018. It's not looking promising, but if Trump and the GOP **** of the American people enough then it'll definitely happen.
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Old 11-25-2016, 01:13 PM
 
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Someone wrote here that rural voters just gave the West Coast a huge tax cut so rural voters could lose health coverage. It was an interesting way to put it and also true.
And so rural voters can lose much of their future medicare coverage. Rural blue collar voters would be more impacted by this than those on the west coast because the rural people might not have the extra money necessary to add to the miniscule voucher in order to pay for the private healthcare insurance that replaces medicare, especially as the premiums increase each year but voucher stays the same.

If social security goes private, people will get less than what they get today - with the expecation that they invest and get good returns to make up the difference. This is what Bush's plan for social security privatization did - it gave a smaller amt of social security that what you would normally get. if you choose to invest in safe money market then your monthly benefit is 15% lower than today's social security. it forces you to risk your investment in the stock market and hope for good returns. but you can lose bigly doing this too.
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Old 11-25-2016, 01:36 PM
 
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I fully anticipate that the Dems will do a replay of what the GOP did in Obama's 8 years. Just keep on Filibustering in the Senate night and day until the American People give you back control of Congress. The only question in my mind is whether the Dems can regain either or both houses in 2018. It's not looking promising, but if Trump and the GOP **** of the American people enough then it'll definitely happen.
Harry Reid obliterated Democrats ability to filibuster with his "nuclear option".
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Old 11-25-2016, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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Wow a troll from the opposite side of the earth. Must be a slow day down there.
Aren't there kangaroos to hunt or something?

Wow what a real kneeslapper!!! Kangaroos, my how original!! Did you think that up yourself??? You smug R's are all in your glory, acting like you are above the fray. I mean c,mon man be realistic. You HAVE to have seen how the right conducted themselves after 2008 and 2012 and even in between. Now you all act like you're all bastions of classiness and grace! PLEASE, the ONLY valid point the right has is how the left is getting violent in their displeasure, and that's no small point either, so fair is fair. But the verbal hatred from the left now, well, the right was dishing it out for 8 years, so now it comes around. for the 800th time I am an American taxpaying, law-abiding, educated citizen living in Australia. I still have to pay taxes to your chithole country, so I feel that gives me the right to be critical. Not to mention that when America goes down in flames-and it will- we are affected too. All I was doing was pointing out that you aren't the only ones that are free, and that you aren't as "free"as you think-not all anyways, unlike here. You "patriots" sure love to rip on other countries as "beneath you and inferior" but God forbid someone say America isn't great and you get your knickers in a knot! Why is that? Dish it out but get very vengeful and defensive when you get it back. All I know is, I'll take real freedom over the 'murican "freedom" which is really freedom for the well off whites
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Old 11-25-2016, 01:40 PM
 
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Sure we will, just like Republicans gave Obama a fair chance.

Remember this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc
Thank you, this video is such a great reminder of Republican hypocrisy. President Obama faced opposition before he was even inaugurated and it continued throughout his entire two terms. There was never an ounce of civility. Republicans should expect the same in return as we are now a very divided country.
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