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Old 12-19-2016, 01:15 AM
 
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True!

Taxes only limit the amount of greenhouse gases we PUT into atmosphere.

Luckily CO2 is part of the carbon cycle, so if we slow down putting it in there, the natural processes will be able to remove it over time.
It won't limit it, it will only bring in money for the politicians.

They sure have you bamboozeled.
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:24 AM
 
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As much as any of you. None of you climatologists.
I am an oceanographer by degrees, which until phd is the most common degree for climatologists. Additionally, my research in oceanography requires me to be familiar with basic climate science principals, and to account for climate change in my experimental design.

So no, I think it unlikely you are educated I this field as I am.

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Yes, the same scientists that doubt the man-made climate change claims. A large number of scientists have never supported the global warming alarmist nonsense.

There is nothing out-of-the-ordinary about the current warming/cooling trend.
We are trained as scientists to try to disprov each other, it is literally part of every science methodology out there. That is why the consensus amongst scientist, that the climate is changing due to some amount due to human activity, is so meaningful. 40+ years of peer review and critique has clarified the science to such a degree it is indoubitible.




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It's foolish to think that we can change the climate at all.
Well that's just nonsense. Tiny single called organism changed not just the climate but the composition of the atmosphere itself some 2.1 million years ago trigger one of the largest extinction events ever. If single felled organisms which are 1/10^9 a single persons size can change the climate what makes you think humans can't?
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:26 AM
 
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It doesn't matter how many. They exist and their argument makes a lot more logical sense than what the proponents of man-made global warming are claiming.
But you just rightly admitted that you are not in a position to evaluate their claims, as you have no formal training as a scientist.
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:26 AM
 
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Not true at all, at least not here in BC.

Province of British Columbia
A price of milk in Canada is $2.45 a liter. It's $3.28 per gallon in the United States. Your taxes are passed along.
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:28 AM
 
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It won't limit it, it will only bring in money for the politicians.

They sure have you bamboozeled.
Well, apparently you have not looked at any of the places where the more effective carbon tax systems are in place but yes, they are working at lowering carbon output, particularly of corporations and companies.

As for bamboozled, one of us spent quite a bit of time actually learning about carbon tax. If it makes you feel better to think your lack of knowledge means the other side is bamboozled, than go for it.
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:36 AM
 
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A price of milk in Canada is $2.45 a liter. It's $3.28 per gallon in the United States. Your taxes are passed along.
Oh dear, you're doing it again.

The price of milk in the US is so low due to subsidies for dairy farmers. Specifically, if milk prices are below a certain amount, the US government pays the dairy farmer the difference.

This interference with the free market, which comes from taxpayers btw, keeps demand artificially high, and prices artificially low.

In the last 20 years or so, the subsidies just for the dairy industry have been close to $5 billion, with a B.

So no, the carbon tax system is not to blame for the price difference in milk.

Milking taxpayers | The Economist
https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?...progcode=dairy

Maybe you should add "brush up on basic economics" to that reading list.
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:42 AM
 
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Oh dear, you're doing it again.

The price of milk in the US is so low due to subsidies for dairy farmers. Specifically, if milk prices are below a certain amount, the US government pays the dairy farmer the difference.

This interference with the free market, which comes from taxpayers btw, keeps demand artificially high, and prices artificially low.

In the last 20 years or so, the subsidies just for the dairy industry have been close to $5 billion, with a B.

So no, the carbon tax system is not to blame for the price difference in milk.

Milking taxpayers | The Economist
https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?...progcode=dairy

Maybe you should add "brush up on basic economics" to that reading list.
Why Canadian Dairy Won a Massive Subsidy Despite Falling Demand*|*Yan Roberts
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:46 AM
 
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There should be a set standard that the entire world must live by that requires the environment to come before anything else. It should not be an issue that is decided by a political leader, it should not be something that has to be proved or disproved by a scientist, it should be common sense. Everyone always preaches you should s!*t where you eat yet we do this every day as a society. Its only time before natural resources run out, the air will be to dirty to breath, the water will be to polluted to drink, etc. I think many if not most people really don't care because the effect of there pollution will not have any impact on them during this lifetime, but it will for their future generations and it is a very selfish mindset.


If you have a set standard, that is your baseline. Worrying about the price of things going up, inconveniences, and so forth for the good of mankind is like worrying about your haircut when you are dying of cancer. Focus on the big issue first and then worry about everything else.


Just for the record I am not a liberal.
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:53 AM
 
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Again? Do you even read the links before you post them? I swear you just googled dairy subsidies Canada and grabbed the first one without even looking at it. Just googled it myself, apparently that's exactly what you did!

4.3 billion in subsidies over 15 years in a new program. Their entire agriculture subsidy program is a tiny fraction of the 20 billion the US spends in a YEAR. ONE YEAR, $20 billion.

Anyway you slice it the Canadian farmers do not get the subsidies the US farmers do to keep milk prices artificially low.

Btw, do you know which party is responsible for most of those subsidies? Betcha don't.
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:55 AM
 
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There should be a set standard that the entire world must live by that requires the environment to come before anything else. It should not be an issue that is decided by a political leader, it should not be something that has to be proved or disproved by a scientist, it should be common sense. Everyone always preaches you should s!*t where you eat yet we do this every day as a society. Its only time before natural resources run out, the air will be to dirty to breath, the water will be to polluted to drink, etc. I think many if not most people really don't care because the effect of there pollution will not have any impact on them during this lifetime, but it will for their future generations and it is a very selfish mindset.
We should try and be as clean as possible. We can do that without taxing the poor and if we put the environment before everything else, we would still be living in caves.

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If you have a set standard, that is your baseline. Worrying about the price of things going up, inconveniences, and so forth for the good of mankind is like worrying about your haircut when you are dying of cancer. Focus on the big issue first and then worry about everything else.
Why is it that we can't develop new technologies while still allowing the poor to be able to afford today's technology?
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