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There we have it. An atheist, a Christian and a Muslim are in agreement. Thread closed guys and gals (and transgendered if applicable), go home The world is right.
It's a free country. Religious costumes are allowed because we are better than the places where religious costumes originated.
But, 7th century customs like hijab and burka should NEVER be "normalized" or "celebrated." It is what it is - religiously prescribed misogyny worming its way into the 21st century.
We don't celebrate or normalize prairie skirts and FLDS braided hairstyles. Nor do we cream ourselves over Hassidic ladies and their wigs.
You want to advertise to the world that you're a subservient and second class citizen? Go for it. But recognize that for hundreds of millions of people around the world, that bag on your head is a symbol of oppression and struggle.
It's not always that way. That's our perspective as Americans. But there was an interesting article about women in government in Egypt that I read a few years ago. A young, college-educated woman was working for some cause in the Egyptian government, I forget what now, and she never used to wear a hijab, but when she started working her way up through governmental levels, she found that the men listened to her if she did wear a hijab. It gave her power. Seems to go against what we think, but it's an entirely different culture, and we can't apply our perspectives and what works here to what works there.
If you had actual moral hygiene, you would not have different rules for men and women, and you wouldn't have rules for the receiver of dirty looks rather than the giver of the dirty looks. It is amoral.
Not judging means - not judging ab initio. Its not having clothing rules and regulations and for people who do judge and then blaming the judged! If you are not going to judge a transgender person, and what a fine thing that would be, you don't tell them to stay indoors so you can't see them and don't have to judge them.
Talk about upside down. Where the heck do you get your "morality" I don't judge a person on cleavage, pecs, hair or whatever whether I can see it or not. If you do - that's your lack of good morals.
But then why aren't women allowed to go out topless in public as men can? I mean, what kind of a backward laws do we have, don't we?
Absolutely, I agree. We can offer our opinions on what we may think is ideal and leave it at that. If you or I don't accept it, no big deal. You are free and I am free and everyone is free to make their own choices.
Forgot to add, I am a big Agatha Christie fan. In her book, she wrote a lot about Muslim culture. I always thought it was a beautiful culture.
I wanted to visit Egypt. Christie's first visit to Egypt consisted of three months in Cairo for her coming-out season, during which she spent her time at parties and dances, making occasional, reluctant visits to the Cairo Museum, and refusing to visit the Nile. She stayed at the Gezira Palace hotel on Saraya El Gezira Street, an ornate 19th-century Islamic palace that became a hotel, and is now run as the Cairo Marriott. It was another 20 years before Christie discovered the delights of the Nile region, the burial chambers in Luxor and the temples along the river banks.
How fascinating.
I always wonder, what has changed? It is really sad. I would like to see Egypt one day.
It's not always that way. That's our perspective as Americans. But there was an interesting article about women in government in Egypt that I read a few years ago. A young, college-educated woman was working for some cause in the Egyptian government, I forget what now, and she never used to wear a hijab, but when she started working her way up through governmental levels, she found that the men listened to her if she did wear a hijab. It gave her power. Seems to go against what we think, but it's an entirely different culture, and we can't apply our perspectives and what works here to what works there.
The men listened to her because she ascribed to their rules for women who don't want to be considered whores.
That isn't empowerment.
Stop. Normalizing. Misogyny.
There is ALWAYS a correlation between the number of hijabs on the streets, and lack of freedom "in the sheets." The more hijabs you see, the less free and open a society you will find. The less rights women will have in that society in general. This is a lesson learned through empirical observation. Deep down you must know this. Can you honestly say or show otherwise?
She stayed at the Gezira Palace hotel on Saraya El Gezira Street, an ornate 19th-century Islamic palace that became a hotel, and is now run as the Cairo Marriott. It was another 20 years before Christie discovered the delights of the Nile region, the burial chambers in Luxor and the temples along the river banks.
How fascinating.
I didn't know that but sounds intriguing.
Always wanted to visit Egypt but not sure how good of an idea it is now a days?
Forgot to add, I am a big Agatha Christie fan. In her book, she wrote a lot about Muslim culture. I always thought it was a beautiful culture.
I wanted to visit Egypt. Christie's first visit to Egypt consisted of three months in Cairo for her coming-out season, during which she spent her time at parties and dances, making occasional, reluctant visits to the Cairo Museum, and refusing to visit the Nile. She stayed at the Gezira Palace hotel on Saraya El Gezira Street, an ornate 19th-century Islamic palace that became a hotel, and is now run as the Cairo Marriott. It was another 20 years before Christie discovered the delights of the Nile region, the burial chambers in Luxor and the temples along the river banks.
How fascinating.
I always wonder, what has changed? It is really sad. I would like to see Egypt one day.
I've been to Egypt! Cairo is very commercialized now and while it was neat to see the Sphinx and the Pyramids...about 100 yards from the Sphinx there's a Starbucks and KFC...kind of ruined the masjestic mood.
What happened? Loooong story. But in short our people went from being open-minded progressives (for *their time*, not comparing to now) to close-minded and anti-science. Why this all happened is for another thread and topic.
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The world is right.
I don't judge a person on cleavage, pecs, hair or whatever whether I can see it or not. If you do - that's your lack of good morals.
