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I listen to talk radio a lot (mostly Rush and Michael Berry) because I think its important to understand the point of view of people you disagree with. And I listen to a lot of my very liberal friends as well. Neither seems to understand why the Muslim ban is such a bad idea.
The folks on the left make it all about "thats not who we are". Well thats demonstrably false, thats not who a lot of us are, but thats not who is in power. And they make the argument that it makes us less safe-but very few understand why. They make it about how we lose worldwide support, etc. They are not completely wrong either-there have been little or no terrorists from those countries.
The folks on the right think it makes us more safe. This to them is just common sense. And knee jerk reaction is they are right.
But I disagree with everyone it seems. I think that's because few people are taking the time to understand our enemy. ISIS/ISIL/whatever you want to call them has some specific goals in mind, and the number one thing they have desperately wanted is to make this war about religion. Until they do Muslims look at it as a good guy vs bad guy sort of thing. And the risks of joining are quite apparent. As long as we treated them separately from regular Muslims no one wants to be them for the most part. The second we made this more about religion we run the risk of having it become that way. And despite what most people think, theres a LOT of Muslims out there. And right now they are looking at us, and seeing themselves labeled (rightly or wrongly) as the bad guys. ISIS is having a field day with this-and they have some amazingly effective propaganda. If your enemy is cheering you on, you have made a dramatic error in judgement.
Basically-if you accuse someone of X, and punish them for it, they have less reason to not do X.
And finally, we targeted this poorly. We included green card holders. And we targeted the wrong countries. Saying "Well the Obama administration" is a cop out of the most idiotic sort. The Obama Administration were labeling with different criteria.
Who should we have targeted? Well Syria was not completely unreasonable (assuming you don't have a ounce of caring in you), But we should have chosen countries that are sources of terrorists. That means, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, France, and Russia. Those from a sheer numbers stand point were where ISIS has gotten recruits outside of the local area. But then if you look at probabilities per person, it should be Finland, Ireland, Australia, Belgium, and Denmark. What would a rational division of this look like?
Banning Finland, Ireland, Australia, Tunisia, Saudi, and morocco.
But better then doing that, would have been not making this exactly what ISIS wanted it to be. A religious war instead of a good guy vs bad guy war. I had hoped Mattis would have been able to get this point across.
It matters not what we do , whether a video is blamed, gitmo or obama handing medals to servicemen who killed radical islamists, people are fed lies about us, little kids are taught to hate us in school. ISIS use of lies is far more effective than anything we do.
A big recruting tool for isis is the tolerance we have for gays, the decadent lifstyle of celebrities and sports figures and of course movies like american sniper that MO said she enjoyed. 'Michelle Obama gives 'American Sniper' two thumbs up'.
So without blaming anyone in particular, not even michelle, our culture is the best recruiting tool ISIS has.
Un fortunately there is the fear mongering campaign waged by the democrats which plays into the hands of Putin and ISIS. Neither could have dreamed of such an easy segment of the population to manipulate. The efffectiveness, far beyond anything ISIS or putin could have ever imagined.
This is RIDICULOUS! If just because we implemented a temporary pause, those people would join ISIS and become terrorists, we definitely don't want those people!!!! Next time we didn't fart in the right direction, they would just nuke us.
This premise is crazy and precisely why we need a permanent ban if true.
You just proved how crazy those people are!!
If a 90 day delay causes you to join a terrorist organization, then I'd say the directive has done its job. They had no business coming to this country, if they were that easily influenced to join a terror group.
If a 90 day delay causes you to join a terrorist organization, then I'd say the directive has done its job. They had no business coming to this country, if they were that easily influenced to join a terror group.
whats funny is that liberals somehow believe that if we're NICE to immigrants and refugees somehow ISIS and Al Queda will change their tune and be nice to us
Yesterday on the radio on my way to work, there was a story about US soldier that worked diligently to get his translator into the US. He trusted his translator so much that he armed him to fight on our side... they both risk their lives for each other. He had intelligence that his translator and his family were being targeted. Without this translator's help and those of others like him, their job would not only be more difficult but much more dangerous.
It took almost 8 years to get him and family here... just before the ban was signed. He confirmed that the vetting process is stringent for them just like other refugees.
The translator is a Muslim. Now why would a Muslim risk his life to assist US troops if even the slightest message of "anti-Muslim" comes from the US?
The US is partly responsible for the mess in the Middle East. Now we are seen as turning our backs on them....
I'm more concerned about what happens with the Exec Order for the immigration ban expires.... will it be extended.. perhaps indefinitely.
Why did it take 8 years? Why didn't Obama step in and do the right thing? He had every opportunity to do that.
Taking the long view you are correct. In the short term what is needed is exactly what Trump has done. Keeping the home land safe from psychopaths.
If Ponderosa is correct about the future plans to heavily restrict or ban immigration from other countries, then the notion of "making us less safe" will become irrelevant.
But we aren't keeping us safe. We have 1 million + Iranians in the US we have hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Do you think this Ban is going to pacify all of them ? Does it help us fight IS to have the Iraqi govt threatening to ban US advisers or soliders ?
Say nothing of the EU passport holders who can travel visa free to the US - care to check the passports of the last couple of attackers in the EU ?
This Ban is a media show which will likely have absolutely zero in net positive effects.
seriously if this has become an effective tool for ISIS. If this has in fact made us less safe, that is a result of the LEFT mischaracterizing what just happened.
There is no ban. There is no muslim ban. there was no reason to protest.
There is a 90 day hold while a review is being done.
the Muslim World is upset because they hear our media and our citizens acting the fool over some muslim ban that does not exist.
Yesterday on the radio on my way to work, there was a story about US soldier that worked diligently to get his translator into the US. He trusted his translator so much that he armed him to fight on our side... they both risk their lives for each other. He had intelligence that his translator and his family were being targeted. Without this translator's help and those of others like him, their job would not only be more difficult but much more dangerous.
It took almost 8 years to get him and family here... just before the ban was signed. He confirmed that the vetting process is stringent for them just like other refugees.
The translator is a Muslim. Now why would a Muslim risk his life to assist US troops if even the slightest message of "anti-Muslim" comes from the US?
The US is partly responsible for the mess in the Middle East. Now we are seen as turning our backs on them....
I'm more concerned about what happens with the Exec Order for the immigration ban expires.... will it be extended.. perhaps indefinitely.
You think this turning our backs on allies is new..........Do a search on Vietnamese refugees from the Vietnam war.....................
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