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Old 02-09-2017, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Kellyanne shouldn't have said anything about Ivanka's business dealings, but I don't think her error was anything more than ignorance of the rules. People forget that these people in Trump's administration are not decades long politicians, which is why they were elected, have been in the job less than 30 days, are likely working 16 or more hour days to learn what they need to know to do their jobs according to the rules. There is massive amount to learn. Minor mistakes and misspeaking will happen. They are human. Picking on minor things makes the media and the critics look petty at best and rabidly partisan at worst, in my opinion.
Conway has been involved in Politics since the mid 90's...
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Old 02-09-2017, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Conway has been involved in Politics since the mid 90's...
Being in the President's administration and being a peripheral, political person (like that alliteration? ) are very different, I would think. The protocols and rules of conduct must be tremendous, not to mention how much there is to learn regarding policies.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:06 PM
 
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Being in the President's administration and being a peripheral, political person (like that alliteration? ) is very different, I would think. The protocols and rules of conduct must be tremendous, not to mention how many there must be to learn.
Trump himself pushed Ivanka's brand on twitter just the day before. Its no "mistake". Its a concerted effort to enrich himself using government power. Trump is a crony capitalist at heart. Just because he has packed his administration with big money donors, special interests and Goldman Sachs banker fat cats doesnt mean that he doesnt know what he is doing when using government power to enrich himself and his cronies.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:09 PM
 
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Trump himself pushed Ivanka's brand on twitter just the day before. Its no "mistake". Its a concerted effort to enrich himself using government power. Trump is a crony capitalist at heart. Just because he has packed his administration with big money donors, special interests and Goldman Sachs banker fat cats doesnt mean that he doesnt know what he is doing when using government power to enrich himself and his cronies.
Exactly.

Kellyanne is married to an attorney. If she was vague about whether a government employee is allowed to promote products on air, she could have asked him.

This was a bonehead move and she's making more and more of them lately.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:10 PM
 
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Being in the President's administration and being a peripheral, political person (like that alliteration? ) are very different, I would think. The protocols and rules of conduct must be tremendous, not to mention how much there is to learn regarding policies.
Ethics for federal employees is a pretty straightforward course we take every year. It's not hard.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:13 PM
 
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The media already had an obsession it was always part of their strategy to get at Trump. They were working the Ivanka clothing line angle months and months ago. This isn't new. Trump's problem is he's easy to get riled up and he has to fight with them and always respond to them.
Exactly. The media knows how to push Trump's buttons. He needs to smarten up and learn when to fold 'em. If Trump would learn when to keep his mouth and fingers silent, the media wouldn't have much ammo.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Why? She seems perfectly representative of this administration.

WHY? Really? No employee of any elected ..much less the POTUS himself and his family can promote anything that enriches their companies, profits. This is such a basic notion of conflict of interest to the office in which they are holding. In other words..Trump cannot do or say nor promote anything that personally enriches his financial bottomline.

It's actually not just reserved for Politicians ( Public Servants of all stripes) but even us lowly employees can be fired if caught promoting something that enriches themselves and NOT connected to their Employers!

Now, I will agree with your last sentence tho!! She sure does represent her boss..promoting his (and his FAMILY's) business interests like a good puppy dog..that is :roll eyes: This topic is not a new thing either.. Kellyanne SHOULD have known this since Trump was elected and Trump was urged to divest his business interests to avoid the
Emoluments Clause !!
https://www.brookings.edu/research/t...onald-j-trump/

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While much has changed since 1789, certain premises of politics and human nature have held steady. One of those truths is that private financial interests can subtly sway even the most virtuous leaders. As careful students of history, the Framers were painfully aware that entanglements between American officials and foreign powers could pose a creeping, insidious risk to the Republic. The Emoluments Clause was forged of their hard-won wisdom. It is no relic of a bygone era, but rather an expression of insight into the nature of the human condition and the preconditions of self-governance.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:31 PM
 
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Only to you people.
"You people" - people that love our country, and that care about its integrity and survival?

It's a disgrace to our country. Clear ethical and conflict of interest violations. Embarrassing.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:38 PM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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So, not only do we have a dumbed-down reality TV show administration and birther-in-chief, we will be having infomercials as well...

yep!


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Old 02-09-2017, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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Only to you people.
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