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As a nurse, I find this attitude beyond ignorant. If you think every cancer or ALS patient brought it on themselves, you are wrong. If you think the person in the wrong place at the wrong time car accident should have known better, you are wrong. If you think the child who developed an unexpected condition is a burden on you, you are sick and wrong. I can't stand people like you.
No. I've managed to pay for my own healthcare for the last 45 years, so others can too. As of next month, YOU get to pay for my healthcare. How does that really feel to you ?
No. Its a service to be purchased just like any other. And if it cannot be purchased then others will donate to your cause however THEY see fit. However its wrong to FORCE people to give up thier labor and resources to another person who they don't even know.
We need to concentrate on a society of VOLUNTARY transactions rather than the gun pointed to people's heads known as wealth redistribution. Measures should be taken to lower healthcare cost, but we aren't going to have a nation of strong people if we continue to force people to subsidize weakness.
How about we just donate to our own cause like we do with social security? That way we don't have to beg others for it, and we have a decent social fabric. We all pay, we all receive. It's simple.
What we have now is a gun pointed at our heads. What we need is to pay into our own healthcare at a bulk rate and make sure it's regulated so our healthcare isn't our 3rd largest killer in America.
Strength only gets you so far if your too stupid to know where to use it. I'm not a democrat and even I know it's way cheaper to have a single payer system. Do you like wasting money? Because we are wasting money right now, a lot of it.
How do you think large employers get cheaper health insurance? They buy bulk. It's basic knowledge, you probably do this yourself at Costco.
I was in London a few years ago and became ill. My hotel called a taxi for me, and the taxi took me to a doctor. The taxi was free. So was the doctor visit. The taxi to the pharmacy was also free, as was the prescription medication. The taxi back to the hotel was free. It was a seamless, painless, and cost-free experience.
Agree! It is called taking personal responsibility for one's self!
Actually that is not true. What an attitude! Not everyone gets sick, even getting older doesn't mean getting sick. And, getting sick doesn't mean you need healthcare if you have a clue about taking care of yourself.
Health care is not a basic right.
How did we survive before there were mega clinics, hospitals and big pharma pumping out drugs that cause reactions that require more drugs that cause reactions that require more drugs.............
I think they want to call everything they might need in life a "human right" as to avoid taking any action or personal responsibility for their needs and/or desires.
Healthcare isn't about dying. No one said that healthcare or healthy living would cheat death. You'd be surprised what healthy living delivers IF you actually understand that takes effort and doesn't come easy. Most deaths are of older individuals with worn out parts. Smoking and bad diet definitely can impact one's cancer risks.
If you wanting to involve the government in forcing everyone to pay for the health care of others, don't talk about un-Christian or Christian but if you insist on talking Christian, tell it to the congregation on Sunday morning and perhaps they'll agree and pass the donation plate again to pick up the cost. Keep Christianity out of the government. Assuming everyone is Christian and trying to play that card anymore is a wasted effort!
Exactly!
Actually, that was a benefit of having a job. I realize "job" causes some to just shake in their boots, but that is the way you get things, you earn them for yourself or at least that is the way it used to be before some got the idea they could do as they wanted, not work, not take care of their health and someone else could carry them.
You are talking about personal responsibility, a lost art! But, but if mommy and daddy aren't going to provide it, "Uncle Sam where are you?"
They want everything delivered them under their "human rights" without obligations. Rights have obligations. If one wants it, they need to find a way to go out their and get it, not nag everyone else to cover their butts.
Nope, this claiming everything is a human right to get a free ride. As we know, they also want to guaranteed living wage without a job at all, so they are trying to put the big picture together with what they will need in order to just slide through life.
I am sick of the manufactured outrage over this issue.
Want a service, pay for it. Don't have the money, not my problem.
I was in London a few years ago and became ill. My hotel called a taxi for me, and the taxi took me to a doctor. The taxi was free. So was the doctor visit. The taxi to the pharmacy was also free, as was the prescription medication. The taxi back to the hotel was free. It was a seamless, painless, and cost-free experience.
None of that was free, unless you happened to find a cabbie who drives for nothing and buys gas for the cab out of his own pocket, oil refinery workers who are 100% volunteering their time to the refinery, auto workers who work the lines free of charge, a doctor who volunteers his/her time free of charge, a pharmacist who volunteers at the pharmacy, and a group of employees in a pharma-factory who all volunteer.
Do you receive compensation at your place of employment? If so, why do you accept it? Someone might need your product/service, yet lacks the funds to pay for it.
I was in London a few years ago and became ill. My hotel called a taxi for me, and the taxi took me to a doctor. The taxi was free. So was the doctor visit. The taxi to the pharmacy was also free, as was the prescription medication. The taxi back to the hotel was free. It was a seamless, painless, and cost-free experience.
" Do you consider healthcare a basic human right? "
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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so that is a no?
No it is not.
Healthcare sustains and supports life and human happiness, so I support it as a basic human right.
None of that was free, unless you happened to find a cabbie who drives for nothing and buys gas for the cab out of his own pocket, oil refinery workers who are 100% volunteering their time to the refinery, auto workers who work the lines free of charge, a doctor who volunteers his/her time free of charge, a pharmacist who volunteers at the pharmacy, and a group of employees in a pharma-factory who all volunteer.
Do you receive compensation at your place of employment? If so, why do you accept it? Someone might need your product/service, yet lacks the funds to pay for it.
All of it was cost-free to me. The taxi driver (the best on earth in London), the doctor, and the pharmacist all get paid. The drug company was paid. England seems to function quite well, last time I looked.
Yes, I'm paid quite well at my place of employment, and we don't turn away anyone who needs medical or surgical care, even if the person lacks funds/insurance. Who pays for those who don't/can't ? To some extent, you do. Quit playing ignorant. It works in England, and it can work here as well. You confuse the payor with the employee. When I take care of a patient, I don't care who's paying his/her bill, and I don't need to.
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It is called taking personal responsibility for one's self!
I'm the one explaining the logical steps of what I believe. Brainwashing usually can't be backed up using reason.
