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Exactly. The system in the US is means tested. It is designed by puppets of big money donors in order to rile up the middle class against the poor and drive people into the arms of the same puppets who can then rant and rave about how this and that program is useless and government is taking advantage of the hard working people.
Progressive legislation would ensure that all people have skin in the game and people feel that they benefit. Not a means tested system that drives wedges between people.
I'm not denying anyone of anything. I'm simply suggesting we all come up with a solution that does not involve involuntary servitude.
Man, you seem to be a Jethro Tull song title. Universal Health Coverage (aka the Canadian/UK system, aka single payor) does not involve involuntary servitude, or slavery. Health care workers would not work for free. The government is the payor. The system is funded through taxes, just like other essential services. If you look at paying taxes as involuntary servitude, there's nothing anyone can do to help you. Patients can go to any physician or hospital that they choose. No one can see the servitude; that's why no one understands what the f888 you're talking about.
Theres something no one is saying and it is that, in the end, this is a classist issue.
... "freedom" ...
I'm sure there are people like that. But you don't have to be rich to believe in liberty. I'll bet you make far more than I do. Yet, in my case, it has nothing to do with income or net worth and I don't care how much you make or how much of your earnings come to me. I don't want your earnings. I do not expect to be carried on the backs of the "rich."
Yes by "FREE" you mean "YOU pay for ME". Liberals, always so generous with other peoples time, effort, resources and money.
Not really. Its just selective outrage at means testing that is the issue here.
You dont hear this "nothing is free", "forced at gunpoint" spiels about FREEways for example. Why? Because it is a publicly funded service that people feel they themselves benefit from. As long as that is the case, people dont focus on that other people get it too. A Medicare-for-all system could work just as well and the overwhelming majority of Americans would see they benefited from it and wouldnt have a problem with it and would fight to keep it. Any attempt by the Koch brothers to organize people and drum up support to eliminate it would stop dead in its tracks.
Universal Health Coverage (aka the Canadian/UK system, aka single payor) does not involve involuntary servitude...
Yes, it does. And I'm truly sorry that your political persuasion does not allow you to see that. We can't have a discussion if you cannot see the truth. I'm not talking about doctors working for free, and I think you know that. You are so blinded by our 'norm' that you are unable to question the system and ponder it from a "disinterested observer's" objectivity. You are so used to the government dangling a pound of carrots for a peck of your liberty that you can't strip all that away and see it for what it is. The mindset these days seems to be "that's the way it is... and by golly... I want more of it."
Yes, it does. And I'm truly sorry that your political persuasion does not allow you to see that. We can't have a discussion if you cannot see the truth. I'm not talking about doctors working for free, and I think you know that. You are so blinded by our 'norm' that you are unable to question the system and ponder it from a "disinterested observers" objectivity. You are so used to the government dangling a pound of carrots for a peck of your liberty that you can't strip all that away and see it for what it is. The mindset these days seems to be "that's the way it is... and by golly... I want more of it."
I'm sure you'll be thinking about that when Medicare kicks in for you.
I'm sure you'll be thinking about that when Medicare kicks in for you.
That's a rather moot point. The funds will be exhausted long before then as will social security. Both of which I've been forced to fund all my working life. If that funding would have gone into some sort of a personal retirement account and a medical savings account, it would certainly be there if/when I needed it. And if I never needed it, I could will it to someone else who may. But no, rather, it has gone into a Ponzi scheme.
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