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In other words, you don't understand induction. Never mind.
In other words, you don't know how reasoning works and pull random nonsense like Amish women up as proof and a study (ONE) on a subjective idea like happiness and try to use them as correlations for pushing the nation back almost 200 years. Laughable.
Your Premise 1 is that Amish women are content to be second-class citizens in their sub-culture.
Your Premise 2 is that Amish women are happier than the rest of women in our society.
Your Conclusion is that all women would be happier if they were more like Amish women and content to be second-class citizens.
Your Prediction is that in the future your conclusion will rule the day, and that our society will go back to treating women like second-class citizens.
You base your first premise on anecdotal evidence. Which is insufficient to make a sweeping generalization about Amish women.
Your second premise is based on a flawed study about happiness, a study in which Amish women weren't even included, so that premise is invalidated.
Both premises are therefore invalid, making the conclusion invalid, and making the prediction beyond unlikely.
See, no confusion. But hey, you can keep on trying to confuse everyone. Good luck with that!
Well, out of twelve sentences, you managed to get one that's vaguely consistent with what I actually said.
At least it's an improvement on your previous record.
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In other words, you don't know how reasoning works and pull random nonsense like Amish women up as proof and a study (ONE) on a subjective idea like happiness and try to use them as correlations for pushing the nation back almost 200 years. Laughable.
If this was meant as proof that you do understand induction, it didn't help.
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If being equal to women means becoming angry and having to pent up their rage, then perhaps it's best for them to just "go their own way". Doesn't mean they have to light the house on fire on their way out.
They sure do talk a lot instead of just going their own way
Out of twelve sentences, he managed to get one that's vaguely consistent with what I actually said.
If this was meant as proof that you do understand induction, it didn't help.
You clearly don't understand it, so can't judge my knowledge of it *shrug*.
"Inductive reasoning is a logical process in which multiple premises, all believed true or found true most of the time, are combined to obtain a specific conclusion. Inductive reasoning is often used in applications that involve prediction, forecasting, or behavior." http://whatis.techtarget.com/definit...tive-reasoning
Still haven't seen any of these BELIEVED to be true all or most of the time premises and so on that would allow one to make the deductions you do.
Have a happy Amish life.
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I think it's mostly modern day feminism. It's viewed as becoming anti-male and the US is starting to be viewed as somewhat...gynocentric. Meaning the wants, needs, sociological undertones, pecking orders at corporations, dating and marriage, and laws and so on are more geared towards benefiting women.
Most people agree that a woman should be considered for a promotion, and I know I already said I think a lot of women bosses are better than male bosses.
True. Try plugging "feminism is evil" into youtube and see some of the stuff that is out there and the amount of support in terms of likes and views that this stuff gets. It's pretty revelatory if all you've had experience of are the fawning SJW males that are all over the MSM.
Maybe they are. Maybe no one has interviewed them. Maybe there are more women with educations and good paying jobs so there is no shortage of desirable individuals in the dating pool.
If being equal to women means becoming angry and having to pent up their rage, then perhaps it's best for them to just "go their own way". Doesn't mean they have to light the house on fire on their way out.
They have to do the big flounce. It is obvious they are just butthurt they cannot get dates. They even mock the looks of older women who age naturally. Mommy issues.
They are the kind of guys that if it were 1950, we would feel sorry for the women who ended up with them. I wonder if they could understand that there were men before feminism who respected women even if society did not encourage it.
Many of these points have already been covered over the course of the thread. For example, on how we would define empowerment and quality of life when it comes to happiness.
Also, we've only delved into the sociological evidence so far. We've not even covered the neurobiology, for example.
Some points were previously covered, but not my central point, which was this:
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After the Emancipation Proclamation, some slaves discovered that they actually preferred being slaves because being a "free" black person in America during that time period was still no picnic, especially in the southern states. Some ex-slaves felt they had more security as slaves than as free citizens. Does this mean that the Emancipation Proclamation failed to empower black people because these ex-slaves were unhappy living as free people?
Some ex-cons discover, upon being released, that they like life in prison better than life outside, so they commit felonies so they can go back to prison. Does this imply that they were more empowered as prisoners that they were as free citizens?
My point is this: Even IF feminism is, in fact, responsible for a decline in the overall happiness of women, it is still debatable whether or not feminism has "failed to empower women." It is possible that the overall job of fully empowering women is simply not yet finished because society has still not "freed" all of them in a larger sense of the term. What if, after the Emancipation Proclamation, all social progress for Blacks had ceased at that point. What if all black people were technically "free" but trapped in an America with 1860's attitudes about race? Would we be shocked to discover that a lot of free black American citizens remained unhappy? Would this mean that the Emancipation Proclamation failed to empower blacks?
As others have pointed out, a significant number of women are expected to have full-time jobs and be the primary housekeeper and child-raiser, which to me would seem like a special sort of hell. If a majority of women are unhappy, it might be because sexism is still alive and well and feminism still has more work to do.
Your claim is that feminism has failed because, according to one study, happiness has decreased for a majority of women. Despite the tentativeness of the conclusion about women's happiness and the role of feminism in this unhappiness, I've granted you this premise. Given that women are unhappy and feminism is the cause, the supposed "failure of feminism" is still debatable because, the success of feminism, so far, is only partial. Achieving something closer to equality of pay, opportunity, etc., is only part of the solution, just as the Emancipation Proclamation was only part of the solution for achieve the empowerment of blacks. Technical equality on paper eventually needs to be accompanied by changes in social attitudes. Basically, technical equality (which is closer to reality today, thanks to feminism) is necessary but not sufficient for the type of deep empowerment needed for a statistically measureable rise in women's happiness.
As for neurobiology, I would love to hear what you have in mind.
Also anyone familiar with gamergate will know just how widespread hatred of feminism is among young men. It crosses all social and religious boundaries. Christians think it's evil, and atheists think it is antiscientific. for example in stuff like Thunderfoot's videos, elevatorgate etc.
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