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"(Feminism) is unworkable, contradicts scientifically verifiable biological differences, is ideologically self-conflicted and, in the long term, fundamentally incompatible with a self-sustaining civilization"
Feminism has allowed my wife to manage a team of 20 people in a male-dominated profession, while raising a child, while getting an MBA.
And when she was sexually harassed at work, it allowed her to protect her livelihood while punishing the harrasser.
Feminism has been fantastic for her and for our family. Our son will grow up to know he has a strong, successful mother who demands respect.
But why am I surprised that certain people here have a problem with women being treated like human beings and not sex objects, baby making machines or cleaning services?
"Feminism has allowed my wife to manage a team of 20 people in a male-dominated profession", and the rest of your post.
Please explain what "feminism" had to do with your wife's success.,
"Just one year earlier, the same Congress had passed the Equal Pay Act of 1963, which prohibited wage differentials based on sex."
People are attacking the OP, citing rights that women gained in the mid 1900s as reasons that feminism is good. The OP clearly stated he's talking about the "latest" feminism. Past feminism was just seeking more rights for women to bring them up to about the level of males in rights. Current modern feminism doesn't seek equality, as equality in the west has already occured, modern feminism seeks the upper hand. Its an anti-male, pro-big government stance.
No one is attacking the OP and along with civil rights in the mid 1900s posters have described many instances where the continued feminism has allowed them to enter certain careers and reach their potentials. Personally I entered a male dominated field in 1991 and in 20 years I am just seeing changes that have women able to fill both top administrative positions managing entire branches and writing policy and entry level field positions leading collections, operating equipment, etc. So as late as ~2010 continued efforts of feminism is still gaining women ground.
Just because women won the right to vote in 1920 doesn't mean women enjoyed equality. Ever since then it has taken battling the system and SCOTUS to pass law after law to ensure gender equality and then putting that law into practice is still lacking. Somewhere up thread you can see the recent dates that particular laws were passed granting women equal rights in various aspects of life.
And the OP was clear of his agenda. He described feminists as :these women are so 'empowered' then why are they so dependent on the system to take care of them?
Do you think maybe the children that they are having, most without steady fathers apparently, will be as dependent as them?
Would you like to elaborate and give actual examples where feminism is aimed at seeing the upper hand and anti-male, pro big government? Please lets keep the few fringe lunatic blogs out of it.
Wrong. Prior to feminism she would never have been given the opportunity to manage the team. Pre feminism she would be bringing them coffee and taking their calls.
She's a fantastic manager. She didn't get it because she's a woman, she got it because she's the best candidate.
"Elizabeth Blackwell (3 February 1821 – 31 May 1910) was a British-born physician, notable as the first woman to receive a medical degree in the United States,"
Quit attempting to say that women were NOT allowed to succeed until, "feminism" came about.
Women have been graduating from college in the U.S since 1742
"1742: Bethlehem Female Seminary, (now Moravian College): established as a seminary for girls, it eventually became the Moravian Seminary and College for Women and later merged with nearby schools to become the coeducational school, Moravian College."
I wonder if anyone in this thread will deny that feminism has given more employment opportunities for women?
Until fairly recently, virtually all medical studies on humans were done on men. Feminism played an important role in recognizing and starting to fix this problem. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1761670/
BTW: The last sentence includes the actual definition of feminism: Equality under the law (i.e., equal treatment, equal opportunity) for women. Is anyone in this thread seriously willing to publicly stand up and oppose equality for women?
This is an excellent request. As pointed out above, feminism is a movement to gain and maintain legal equality between men and women (and now extended, by many, to take into account the fact that sexuality is a spectrum (not just binary) and gender is a socially constructed concept, thus there should be equal opportunity for transgender, etc.).
I'm still looking for the "torrent of hate". Seems to me this thread is dominated by intelligent answers. (Despite that fact that the thread had a seemingly trollish beginning.)
"until fairly recently, virtually all medical studies on humans were done on men"
All, Really?
1835
Harriot Kezia Hunt was one of the first woman to practice medicine, "clearly the first to achieve a marked success"
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1849
Elizabeth Blackwell, born in England, was the first woman to earn a medical degree in America."
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1873
Ellen Swallow Richards was the first woman admitted to MIT (which made her the first accepted to any school of science or technology), and the first American woman to earn a degree in Chemistry."
"(Feminism) is unworkable, contradicts scientifically verifiable biological differences, is ideologically self-conflicted and, in the long term, fundamentally incompatible with a self-sustaining civilization"
Correct.
Yet it is working and progressing.
What biological differences could possibly contradict equal protection under the law, equal education, social, employment opportunities, equal civil rights?
How is it ideologically self-conflicted? how is it incompatible with self-sustaining civilization?
To be credible on must give some supporting evidence when making such claims.
Yes, I would also like to know how biological differences render me unable to vote, own property, take birth control pills, etc. Please, enlighten this poor little lady, you big strong man!
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Here's an idea I doubt is that difficult to grasp.
Why not see people as entities with the capacity to feel pain, hurt, degradation, anguish, and other negative emotions - start from this basis, then build our whole system of morals and ethics from that foundation? Result relevant to this discussion.
*People can pursue their deepest, authentic talents, desires, and goals without bringing in things like their physical sex (operative or not), gender (trans or cis), and so forth. That way, women with a passion for working with tools and building things can be construction workers without the (irrational) stigma of being "unfeminine women" cisgendered; and at the same time men can open flower and gift shops without the (irrational) stigma of "unmasculine males"
*Ability alone can truly matter - Any woman who can qualify on a USMC boot camp obstacle course and score adequately on a gunnery or rifle range can be a combat marine. A man who has exceptional talents at teaching and caring for small children, and has the proper education and experience qualifications can teach preschool, kindergarten, and so forth.
Traditional idealized gender archetypes are, at most charitable, leftover evolutionary baggage from the times before the development of large scale agriculture - baggage that has no rational purpose today. The sooner we get more critical about our reptilian basebrain's reliability at sizing up a person's proper role, the more rational our species will become (or at least the more rational our social customs will become). Respect for the talents and abilities of an individual, regardless of their gender or sex, is that such a difficult concept to grasp?
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