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Old 06-21-2017, 07:54 AM
 
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The feminists twist that to mean that he wants to subjugate women out of hatred and spite, which is basically misrepresentation of intent.
Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't. It's not like you know that poster personally, and have insight into his motivation.

You defend him wanting to make 50% of the world's population into second-class citizens, and you call the people who disagree with him his intellectual inferiors.

The whole point of women fighting for equality is that we are not going to let anyone put us in "our place". No matter how much that may frustrate you.
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Old 06-21-2017, 07:59 AM
 
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"until fairly recently, virtually all medical studies on humans were done on men"

All, Really?

  • 1835
Harriot Kezia Hunt was one of the first woman to practice medicine, "clearly the first to achieve a marked success"

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  • 1849
Elizabeth Blackwell, born in England, was the first woman to earn a medical degree in America."

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  • 1873
Ellen Swallow Richards was the first woman admitted to MIT (which made her the first accepted to any school of science or technology), and the first American woman to earn a degree in Chemistry."

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  • 1916
The first birth control clinic was opened by Margaret Sanger1916 The first birth control clinic was opened by Margaret Sanger"

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  • 1947
Gerty Cori was the first woman to win the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine;"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...men%27s_firsts
virtually all medical studies on humans were done on men"

Your response to this statement shows that you didn't comprehend its meaning.

And listing the exceptions to the rules only shows that there were rules in place. Thank goodness for these pioneering women who challenged society's expectations of women. They helped to break down barriers that were designed to keep women "in their place", which was largely a place where they weren't allowed to challenge men. And many men seem disturbed that women can challenge them today.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:07 AM
 
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What biological differences could possibly contradict equal protection under the law, equal education, social, employment opportunities, equal civil rights?
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Yes, I would also like to know how biological differences render me unable to vote, own property, take birth control pills, etc. Please, enlighten this poor little lady, you big strong man!
What exactly does that statement say? Does it say:

"(Feminism) is unworkable because it contradicts scientifically verifiable biological differences, is ideologically self-conflicted and, in the long term, fundamentally incompatible with a self-sustaining civilization"?

No. What it actually says is:

"(Feminism) is unworkable, contradicts scientifically verifiable biological differences, is ideologically self-conflicted and, in the long term, fundamentally incompatible with a self-sustaining civilization".

Every phrase is a separate proposition. Interesting how you both make the same simple mistake together at once.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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What exactly does that statement say? Does it say:

"(Feminism) is unworkable because it contradicts scientifically verifiable biological differences, is ideologically self-conflicted and, in the long term, fundamentally incompatible with a self-sustaining civilization"?

No. What it actually says is:

"(Feminism) is unworkable, contradicts scientifically verifiable biological differences, is ideologically self-conflicted and, in the long term, fundamentally incompatible with a self-sustaining civilization".

Every phrase is a separate proposition.
And each proposition is wrong.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:20 AM
 
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And each proposition is wrong.
Shall we go over, again, how every single argument you've given in defense of feminism so far in this thread has failed?
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:22 AM
 
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shall we go over, again, how every single argument you've given in defense of feminism so far in this thread has failed?
Oh dear.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:22 AM
 
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Shall we go over, again, how every single argument you've given in defense of feminism has failed?
My arguments haven't failed. You just reject them because you so strongly desire that women revert to being second-class citizens that you cannot accept that women are your equals and will not be forced back into being deferential to men.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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120% Truth!! You also have corrupt as hell hillary clinton married to a man that's equally disgusting. You have "special place in hell for women that don't help other women" Albright, you have lena dunham, and that one woman that spoke at the woman march that was a convicted terrorist that killed two people. Then that other one that, along with several others sexually assaulted an elderly man. Feminists today seem to LOVE the most despicable nutcase women there are.

And as far female politicians, how many are actually good decent human beings? Only one that I can think of is Patsy Reddy and she's in New Zealand. I admit I like her. But then you have marxist Angela Merkel that sells out her own people for personal gain, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner of Argentina who was horribly corrupt. Then Park Geun-hye of South Korea who was also horribly corrupt and was ousted. Feminists truly believe their way is the only right way.

And before anyone responds with "But...lots of men have done bad things!!" yeah, but so to have women. Yet no matter how evil/vile women that get in positions of power are, it's clear feminists will always fully support and endorse them regardless.
Do you know of any politician who is a good, decent human being?

As a feminist, I want women to have just as much access to being a power-hungry corrupt monster as a man. Ideally, they won't be. Some feminists support Hillary Clinton. Others voted yesterday for Karen Handel. Are they likely to vote for the same candidates? No. But both voters can still be feminists.

I say that as a feminist who worked on the Bernie Sanders campaign.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:25 AM
 
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"Elizabeth Blackwell (3 February 1821 – 31 May 1910) was a British-born physician, notable as the first woman to receive a medical degree in the United States,"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Blackwell

Quit attempting to say that women were NOT allowed to succeed until, "feminism" came about.

Women have been graduating from college in the U.S since 1742

"1742: Bethlehem Female Seminary, (now Moravian College): established as a seminary for girls, it eventually became the Moravian Seminary and College for Women and later merged with nearby schools to become the coeducational school, Moravian College."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli..._United_States

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  • 1828
Sarah Hale was the first American woman to be a major women's magazine editor"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...men%27s_firsts

Prior to the 60's most woman stayed home and did not "work" outside of the home.

As more and more woman CHOSE to enter the workforce they rose in the ranks of the business world.

DON'T claim YOURS was the first.
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"until fairly recently, virtually all medical studies on humans were done on men"

All, Really?

  • 1835
Harriot Kezia Hunt was one of the first woman to practice medicine, "clearly the first to achieve a marked success"




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...men%27s_firsts
Seriously how long did it take you to find that scant list of women. Doesnt the mere fact that they are so so far and few between tell you something. And note the bold. You see women have not been graduating since 1742 a scant few women somehow managed with much resistance opening the door very slowly for women plural to be allowed to succeed.

And BTW women did commonly work outside the home prior to 1960. Even these women you noted worked. The stay at home mom is fairly recent.
  • 1835
Harriot Kezia Hunt was one of the first woman to practice medicine, "clearly the first to achieve a marked success"

Hunt was the first woman to apply to Harvard Medical School in 1847. Dr. Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. had recently been made Dean of the school and initially considered accepting her application. He was heavily criticized by the all-male student body[3] as well as the university overseers and other faculty members, and she was asked to withdraw her application.[4] Shortly after Elizabeth Blackwell's graduation from Geneva College in 1849, Hunt applied again to Harvard, but was denied.[1] In the years following Hunt's application and denial, other women continued to be denied as well.
  • 1849
Elizabeth Blackwell, born in England, was the first woman to earn a medical degree in America."
Upon reaching Philadelphia, Blackwell boarded with Dr. William Elder and studied anatomy privately with Dr. Jonathan M. Allen as she attempted to get her foot in the door at any medical school in Philadelphia.[1] She was met with resistance almost everywhere. Most physicians recommended that she either go to Paris to study or that she take up a disguise as a man to study medicine. The main reasons offered for her rejection were that (1) she was a woman and therefore intellectually inferior, and (2) she might actually prove equal to the task, prove to be competition, and that she could not expect them to "furnish [her] with a stick to break our heads with"
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  • 1873
Ellen Swallow Richards was the first woman admitted to MIT (which made her the first accepted to any school of science or technology), and the first American woman to earn a degree in Chemistry."
In September 1868 she entered Vassar College classified as a special student. Somewhat over a year later she was admitted to the senior class, graduating in 1870 with a bachelor's degree. She then earned a Master of Arts degree with a thesis on the chemical analysis of iron ore.
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  • 1916
The first birth control clinic was opened by Margaret Sanger1916
Sanger used her writings and speeches primarily to promote her way of thinking. She was prosecuted for her book Family Limitation under the Comstock Act in 1914.
In 1916 Sanger opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, which led to her arrest for distributing information on contraception after an undercover policewoman bought a copy of her pamphlet on family planning."

  • 1947
Gerty Cori was the first woman to win the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine;"

l. She published research findings coauthored with her husband, as well as publishing singly. Unlike her husband, she had difficulty securing research positions, and the ones she obtained provided meager pay.
With her husband Carl and Argentine physiologist Bernardo Houssay, Gerty Cori received the Nobel Prize in 1947
  • 1828
Sarah Hale was the first American woman to be a major women's magazine editor"

In 1823, with the financial support of her late husband's Freemason lodge, Sarah Hale published a collection of her poems titled The Genius of Oblivion.

Reverend John Blake praised Northwood, and asked Hale to move to Boston to serve as the editor of his journal, the Ladies' Magazine

Her collection Poems for Our Children, which includes "Mary Had a Little Lamb" (originally titled "Mary's Lamb"), was published in 1830.[7][8] The poem was written for children, an audience for which many women poets of this period were writing.[9]
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