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Old 06-22-2017, 09:00 AM
 
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There's a pretty simple way to refute this.

The very fact that I'm having to ask you to define what you mean by equality, means that it isn't an axiological truth.

Is it biological equality, social equality, mathematical equality, nutritional equality, ontological equality, economic equality, equality of opportunity, is it equality by fiat or agency, is it equality of representation, equality of social status, equality of condition ... ?
The very fact that you are asking for a definition of equality means that you are desperate and will latch onto anything to try to defend your agenda that women should be second-class citizens.
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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There are no statistics involved here. Maybe they could explain that to you.
So, okay, according to you, there is no statistics at all in a study where they use regression analysis of data from multiple studies
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:07 AM
 
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The very fact that you are asking for a definition of equality means that you are desperate and will latch onto anything to try to defend your agenda that women should be second-class citizens.
Well, I gave you a laundry list of the various definitions of equality, from philosophical, to political, to mathematical, to scientific. Which out of those definitions fall into your thesis that all human beings are equal?
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:09 AM
 
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In some posts there were hints that biological differences imply that women should not try to be leaders, professionals, etc., because they are biologically designed to stay home and raise kids. The idea is that most women would get more enjoyment out of staying home and raising kids. Feminism encourages women to think about professional life - even entices them in that direction - so, according to this perspective, feminism is doing more harm than good. Modern women are more miserable than necessary because feminism is leading them away from their biological calling. For the sake of argument, I am going to grant, for the moment, that this is "biological destiny" type of thinking is completely true.
But there are sef-report happiness studies comparing childless people and parents and the unrefuted evidence is that childless people are happier than those with children. So how can women be happy by virtue of their biology demanding they be mothers when happiness studies show otherwise.
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:15 AM
 
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Well, I gave you a laundry list of the various definitions of equality, from philosophical, to political, to mathematical, to scientific. Which out of those definitions fall into your thesis that all human beings are equal?
None. I've already stated that I don't require a thesis. You are asking for something that is not required. Equality is self-explanatory.
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:25 AM
 
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Unless you can conduct yourself in a civilised way, all people will do is just ignore you
Advice that you might do well to take...
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:28 AM
 
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None. I've already stated that I don't require a thesis. You are asking for something that is not required. Equality is self-explanatory.
Given that you can't seem to answer, and are just repeating yourself to dodge the question, let me help you.

Our current concept of "equality", in the political sense that we understand today, originates from the Enlightenment era in the 18th century, through the work of early empiricists such as John Locke. It began as a theory on social inequalities stemming from the concept of private property, later to incorporate the other components we associate with today's social justice movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_on_Inequality

It is based upon observations of civil society, and in some cases of the animal kingdom, followed by empirical modeling based upon those observations. So it is an empirico-inductive, sometimes an abductive, sociopolitical theory.
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:29 AM
 
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So, okay, according to you, there is no statistics at all in a study where they use regression analysis of data from multiple studies
Please keep up. Self reported studies on happiness are NOT statistical studies.
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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I hear women say, "Oh, my gynecologist is female. She understands my body." Really? So, male doctors don't have an understanding of your body? It's just apples and oranges. I prefer oranges.
A doctor without a uterus would have a theoretical understanding of what menstrual cramps feel like. A doctor with a uterus would have both the theoretical understanding as well as personal experience with what a menstrual cramp feels like.

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I don't think it's tenable to conclude that the findings are spurious.
Then answer each proposition separately and as succinctly as you can:

How is feminism unworkable?

How does feminism contradict scientifically verifiable biological differences? What are these scientifically verifiable biological differences?

And how is feminism, in the long term, fundamentally incompatible with a self-sustaining civilization?
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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So, okay, according to you, there is no statistics at all in a study where they use regression analysis of data from multiple studies
I have NO idea what you are talking about, and I'm not sure you do either
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