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Feminism really kicked in during WWII as women entered the workforce, then our moms in the 60s-70's fought for equal right for women. I have no idea what you mean about this generation getting all the credit or feminism not getting her the job. Before feminism, she would not have been considered for the position. I fail to see the confusion.
Pointing to one thing as the reason is simplistic and lazy. Its easy to have tunnel vision and avoid other factors of influence.
Example : Affirmative Action
Women were the largest group to benefit from it early on.
Pointing to one thing as the reason is simplistic and lazy. Its easy to have tunnel vision and avoid other factors of influence.
Example : Affirmative Action
Women were the largest group to benefit from it early on.
Affirmative action plays no role in the vast majority of employers. It's largely irrelevant.
The typical private firm is under no obligation to ANY affirmative hiring efforts. The private companies that do it have determined it's good business.
Wrong. Prior to feminism she would never have been given the opportunity to manage the team. Pre feminism she would be bringing them coffee and taking their calls.
She's a fantastic manager. She didn't get it because she's a woman, she got it because she's the best candidate.
By who's standards? Yours? Her supervisor? The employees?
In my lifetime, I have never met a great female supervisor. (I am female). They either come off as too hard or "stumble" when it's time to give commands. There has never been a smooth balance for the female supervisors I have known. They also create unnecessary "drama" in the department. Give me a male boss any day! The male supervisors are direct to the point, very experienced and confident.... most often have the respect of the department.
I realize there are those out there who "supremely love" their female supervisors but I have never met one yet that had it together 100%. This is my opinion of course, but please provide examples of great female supervisors in history. I am open to examples....
And don't throw rocks at me because I don't enjoy female supervision!
By who's standards? Yours? Her supervisor? The employees?
In my lifetime, I have never met a great female supervisor. (I am female). They either come off as too hard or "stumble" when it's time to give commands. There has never been a smooth balance for the female supervisors I have known. They also create unnecessary "drama" in the department. Give me a male boss any day! The male supervisors are direct to the point, very experienced and confident.... most often have the respect of the department.
I realize there are those out there who "supremely love" their female supervisors but I have never met one yet that had it together 100%. This is my opinion of course, but please provide examples of great female supervisors in history. I am open to examples....
And don't throw rocks at me because I don't enjoy female supervision!
Your experiences are yours alone.
I've had many good female managers - most of whom took me by the hand and dragged me upwards with them.
I'm sorry that you never had a mentor that could offer you the help you needed.
Of course, I will never forget my first real manager as a new employee - a man who hired me to begin with.
The democrat anarchy party leadership constantly remind us white men need not apply. Naturally we listened to them and knew they were telling the truth. That made Trump the only choice possible and it turned out quite well. Despite their loss the message hasn't changed.
What is interesting is that as women and minorities gain power they want to enact policy's against white men that they railed against. They promote racism and segregation. They don't want equality. They want power and control.
Example : Evergreen
By who's standards? Yours? Her supervisor? The employees?
In my lifetime, I have never met a great female supervisor. (I am female). They either come off as too hard or "stumble" when it's time to give commands. There has never been a smooth balance for the female supervisors I have known. They also create unnecessary "drama" in the department. Give me a male boss any day! The male supervisors are direct to the point, very experienced and confident.... most often have the respect of the department.
I realize there are those out there who "supremely love" their female supervisors but I have never met one yet that had it together 100%. This is my opinion of course, but please provide examples of great female supervisors in history. I am open to examples....
And don't throw rocks at me because I don't enjoy female supervision!
Thats kind of the point of the thread, no?
There are no historic female supervisors in the sense your talking about because supervisory positions were not open to women but here is and example of some great female leaders in history.
Jon of arc
Florence nightingale
Cleopatra
Queen Victoria
Catherine II
Rosa Parks
Tomyris
Indira Gandhi
Goldia Mier
Deborah
Huldah
Affirmative action plays no role in the vast majority of employers. It's largely irrelevant.
The typical private firm is under no obligation to ANY affirmative hiring efforts. The private companies that do it have determined it's good business.
It played a huge roll in education. Down play that if you want.
Maybe you can prove a large percentage of women with a high school diploma are in upper management.
And don't throw rocks at me because I don't enjoy female supervision!
I won't throw rocks, but I might clobber you with a couple of wet Fun Noodles. I've known a couple of excellent female supervisors, and one who was not so good. (Actually, she was fine towards me, but bad to a fellow employee who was female.) One thing I'd like to point out is that women (like minorities) often find themselves saddled with unfair expectations and are victims of unintentional biases, including confirmation bias. Notice how your mind isn't just noting "bad supervisor" but "bad female supervisor." Perhaps everything you have observed is objectively correct, but maybe not. There could be some biases and self-fulfilling prophesy occurring. There is also implicit cognitive bias (aka "implicit associations") to consider. A lot of this works against women due to our long human history of sexism.
If your supervisor was, indeed, hard to work with, there could be a range of reasons - some of which may be due to her perceived need to overcome various burdens - one of which is this: If she fails, it is not just she, as an individual who fails. She is not just a supervisor, she is a female supervisor, so her failure (consciously or unconsciously) will tend to reflect on women, generally. If you have one male supervisor who is exceptionally bad, you tend not to generalize about the role of their race or gender. But a bad female or black supervisor can easily push your mind to make generalizations - consciously or unconsciously.
Generally speaking, when women, racial minorities, etc., fail or do bad things, their shortcomings stand out more starkly. You almost never hear someone complain, specifically, about their bad male supervisor. Those extra attributes rarely pop out of people's mouths. He's just a bad supervisor. End of story.
These implicit biases are among the types of things feminists work hard to overcome in social habits, policies, etc.
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Reason: race baiting
By who's standards? Yours? Her supervisor? The employees?
By her managers, obviously.
She gets the highest possible performance rating every year, and, at 34, heads 20 employees, almost all older than her, and she gets among the highest performance bonuses in the firm every year.
None of this would have been possible absent feminism. She would be a secretary, getting coffee, and fending off grabby male managers.
Thats kind of the point of the thread, no?
There are no historic female supervisors in the sense your talking about because supervisory positions were not open to women but here is and example of some great female leaders in history.
Jon of arc
Florence nightingale
Cleopatra
Queen Victoria
Catherine II
Rosa Parks
Tomyris
Indira Gandhi
Goldia Mier
Deborah
Huldah
No doubt they benefited greatly from the feminism of the last 50 years. What other reason could they claim ?
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The male supervisors are direct to the point, very experienced and confident.... most often have the respect of the department. 
