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Old 06-19-2017, 01:39 PM
 
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It played a huge roll in education. Down play that if you want.
Maybe you can prove a large percentage of women with a high school diploma are in upper management.
There is no affirmative action for women in universities.

60%+ of college students are women. If anything, women need higher performance standards for college admission, because there are so many high performing women.

Women are now the majority in all the elite law and medical schools too.
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Old 06-19-2017, 01:57 PM
 
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No doubt they benefited greatly from the feminism of the last 50 years. What other reason could they claim ?

Do you know who any of these people are?
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Old 06-19-2017, 01:59 PM
 
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There is no affirmative action for women in universities.

60%+ of college students are women. If anything, women need higher performance standards for college admission, because there are so many high performing women.

Women are now the majority in all the elite law and medical schools too.
The SCOTUS did not share your opinion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0d8cc1098d3a5

In 1967, Lyndon Johnson added sex to that list.

White women benefit enormously from affirmative action. By opposing it, they’re advocating for making life harder not only for racial and ethnic minorities*— but also for themselves.
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Old 06-19-2017, 01:59 PM
 
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Do you think your mother should be able to have a credit card, OP? If your father raped her, should it be considered a crime? Do you think women should be able to take birth control pills?
Exactly. Women were not allowed to have a credit card until 1974.

They weren't allowed to run in the Boston Marathon until 1972.

10 Things That American Women Could Not Do Before the 1970s - Ms. Magazine Blog

Now there are more women in college than men.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:00 PM
 
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Feminism has made several strides in obtaining equal rights for women. It is clear that women today are able to do much more with their lives than they did in the 50s & 60s: career choice, reproductive rights, highest office attainable, harassment in the workplace/public, etc.

However, recently there has been a more radical faction of feminism that has begun to blame all of society's ills on men. Things like mansplaining, manspreading, and sexist air conditioning have become hot topics for feminist debate. I doubt the women who worked for equal rights in the 50s & 60s would've even been concerned about these things.

For the most part, men and women have equal rights today, and feminism achieved that.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:07 PM
 
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Pointing to one thing as the reason is simplistic and lazy. Its easy to have tunnel vision and avoid other factors of influence.
Example : Affirmative Action
Women were the largest group to benefit from it early on.
I've been around the sun many times. I've yet to meet a single person who got their job via affirmative action.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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One girl friend I admire most is an engineer manager (chief of project) on nuclear plants.

She didn't even ask herself how to be accepted by a mostly male environment. She just gets there, puts hands in dirt.

They respect her.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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How many women would have taken an interest in engineering, if positions were available?

I was a college graduate in 1985. I had a brother who was not. We both submitted applications to a large corporation. When we got our interviews, he was put on the management track, I was put in the secretarial pool. My education and experience counted for nothing. His gender counted for everything. When I told the interviewer that I deserved to be interviewed for management training, I was told, explicitly, that they put men in management because men had to support families, and that as an attractive single woman, I would probably find a husband in no time.

That was reality.
No one cares what you deserve. You have to prove you belong in that position.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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No one cares what you deserve. You have to prove you belong in that position.
Evidently men don't have to prove it. Just women.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:37 PM
 
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By who's standards? Yours? Her supervisor? The employees?


In my lifetime, I have never met a great female supervisor. (I am female). They either come off as too hard or "stumble" when it's time to give commands. There has never been a smooth balance for the female supervisors I have known. They also create unnecessary "drama" in the department. Give me a male boss any day! The male supervisors are direct to the point, very experienced and confident.... most often have the respect of the department.

I realize there are those out there who "supremely love" their female supervisors but I have never met one yet that had it together 100%. This is my opinion of course, but please provide examples of great female supervisors in history. I am open to examples....


And don't throw rocks at me because I don't enjoy female supervision!
Oh god, I TOTALLY agree! I am a woman but most female bosses/supervisors act like they're on some kind of power trip and honestly, treat their female subordinates like crap. Don't even get me started on female-dominated offices....

Funny enough there is a thread about this:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/work-...male-boss.html

I'd say the poll results are very damning.
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