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View Poll Results: Would you "turn back the clock" on feminism?
Female - Yes, would turn back the clock on feminism 19 8.64%
Female - No, would not turn back the clock on feminism 89 40.45%
Male - Yes, would turn back the clock on feminism 46 20.91%
Male - No, would not turn back the clock on feminism 66 30.00%
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:35 AM
 
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I would dial it back to second wave feminism. When porn was considered exploitation instead of empowerment. Women like Steinem were mild compared to the crazies now. It was about equal pay and opportunities not special treatment.
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:48 AM
 
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I would dial it back to second wave feminism. When porn was considered exploitation instead of empowerment. Women like Steinem were mild compared to the crazies now. It was about equal pay and opportunities not special treatment.
Help me out, what special treatment do you receive due to acts of third wave feminism for just being female?
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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Women are still not equal to men - not by a longshot.

And now we have an out and proud misogynist in the White House (and a the VP) who are already trying to turn back the clock on feminism.

The work of feminism is far from done so there can be no turning back.
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:52 AM
 
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So true. Feminism is so much more than that old stereotype.



Some folks have a very limited vocabulary. I have noticed that those tend the use the word 'butthurt" when that's all they have or just don't know how to use their words.
And it usually seems to mean "you disagreed with/criticized me". It literally might be the stupidest word I see on this forum.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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I would dial it back to second wave feminism. When porn was considered exploitation instead of empowerment. Women like Steinem were mild compared to the crazies now. It was about equal pay and opportunities not special treatment.
I'm old as dirt and I have never met a woman who thought that porn was empowerment, and what kind of special treatment are women receiving now because I definitely want to sign up for them
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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Women are still not equal to men - not by a longshot.

And now we have an out and proud misogynist in the White House (and a the VP) who are already trying to turn back the clock on feminism.

The work of feminism is far from done so there can be no turning back.
What legal and civil rights for women has the current POTUS and VP revoked or in what way are they trying to turn back the clock?
I feel women have obtained equal rights but agree that there are still issues specific to women that continue to need the attention of feminism such as reproductive health and freedoms, childcare/maternity to name a few.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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I realize there are aholes among us but I dont believe men would go to the trouble dressing and behaving like women to infiltrate women's sports and public restrooms.

Having segregated restrooms is not a right, it was designed to protect our sensitivities. Remember at one time we had separate restrooms for "whites" and "colored". The first unisex restroom I remember was on the Ally McBeal show and it was not meat for transgenders but to be "progressive".
They are already doing it though bear in mind, self-ID laws don't require people to dress and behave (though how do women dress and behave???) as women, or change themselves in any way, they just need to say they identify as a woman at that moment in time. Sex offenders in UK prisons are transitioning so they can be moved to female prisons, where already one has had to be put in segregation for 'making unwanted sexual advances' (transitioning does not require surgery - these rapists are keeping their penises).

Sex segregated spaces are an important right, not necessarily toilets but think for instance women's refuges.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:40 AM
 
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They are already doing it though bear in mind, self-ID laws don't require people to dress and behave (though how do women dress and behave???) as women, or change themselves in any way, they just need to say they identify as a woman at that moment in time. Sex offenders in UK prisons are transitioning so they can be moved to female prisons, where already one has had to be put in segregation for 'making unwanted sexual advances' (transitioning does not require surgery - these rapists are keeping their penises).

Sex segregated spaces are an important right, not necessarily toilets but think for instance women's refuges.
So do you know of instances where men were allowed in battered women's shelters (I assume what is meant by refuges) by claiming they identify as a woman, in order to what rape women?
I cant find evidence that male prisoners can go to women's prisons by just saying they identify as women and I dont see how this is a feminist issue. Women are already victims of sexual predation by other women and by male guards in women's' prisons. I think that is a bigger concern than transgender men being placed in a woman's prison.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:40 AM
 
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What legal and civil rights for women has the current POTUS and VP revoked or in what way are they trying to turn back the clock?
I feel women have obtained equal rights but agree that there are still issues specific to women that continue to need the attention of feminism such as reproductive health and freedoms, childcare/maternity to name a few.
Well, for starters Trump has admitted on tape that he enjoys sexually assaulting women and Pence is part of a movement to deny women their own choices in health care, etc.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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They are already doing it though bear in mind, self-ID laws don't require people to dress and behave (though how do women dress and behave???) as women, or change themselves in any way, they just need to say they identify as a woman at that moment in time. Sex offenders in UK prisons are transitioning so they can be moved to female prisons, where already one has had to be put in segregation for 'making unwanted sexual advances' (transitioning does not require surgery - these rapists are keeping their penises).

Sex segregated spaces are an important right, not necessarily toilets but think for instance women's refuges.
huh? So if someone who identifies as a woman but is biologically a male has to go to the restroom who do they tell before they go inside? Are you really suggesting that we have potty police outside every public restroom?

As far as sex offenders, whether trans, gay, bi or hetero in California they are all kept in special housing units called "SNY" right along side other inmates who are vulnerable to assault like cops and prison guards who are doing time. If an inmate has had sex reassignment surgery they are housed in a prison appropriate to their current gender but usually housed separately from other inmates until the administration determines that they won't be assaulted in general population. Here's an article about an inmate who received sex reassignment surgery while in prison. Given her experience I doubt if very many other inmates will be signing up for surgery California: Transsexual inmate says women's prison is 'torture'
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