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I really don't believe those officers lives were in danger from some slightly built young man armed with a pen and with possible mental health problems.
You'd be surprised how much trouble you'll get from small people under NORMAL conditions. Combine that with a mental illness that make's you go berserk and you have yourself a problem. Plus anyone that knows what they're doing or just plain crazy can turn anything into a deadly weapon.
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I am afarid we are going to have to differ on our opinions here, just as laws relating to the use of deadly force differ in different parts of the world.
Below is an interesting article in relation to the subject.
Maybe that's because they have a smaller population and they have more cops per ratio than we do. Also they didn't compare the EU as a whole to the US as they are more similar in size, population, and variety in laws.
He was running head-on toward the cop and refused to stop. Not saying that he deserved to get shot dead, because I'd prefer to see other options first dispensed, but when I watched the in-car video of him hauling ass toward the cop my first thought was "no doubt I'd have done the same thing". The cop's other option was to hide in his locked car and what - wait for another police officer to arrive? And do what that the first officer didn't? Only a patient fool "takes a wait and see" to see what will happen before protecting themselves when they have an unknown dude running at them like that.
In my CHL class my instructor asked a student to come to the front of the class and then put a practice pistol in their hand. He said "aim it at me and say 'bang' when you think I've become a threat". He then walked about twenty feet away, turned around, and ran toward the student. Old fat bastage was right on top of the student before they even realized it. Kind of shocking how fast it went down. He never even got the pistol raised. Seven meters. You come running in a threatening way toward me in a situation like that and I'm pulling the trigger. I'm not waiting to flesh out your intent. I totally acknowledge that police require bravery and that some of them are totally trigger happy - that's my disclaimer. No cop needs to die just trying to feel out a situation though. We wouldn't have cops, or we'd be paying them 200k a year if death by perp was a job description.
I don't know enough about the case to comment as to specifics. But, if it does turn out that this cop was in the wrong, I caution people against throwing racial motivations behind the shooting without having any evidence to back that up. Seriously, and I've argued this many times before, such a way of reasoning is racist in itself as it, without evidence, prejudges offices (primarily white) as being prejudiced against minorities.
I think efforts for criminal justice/policing reform would be accelerated if people stopped injecting race into matters without evidence to do so and, instead, called for improved training across the board where necessary. While I have no doubt that most cops are great, there are undoubtedly some people who should not be cops. But that doesn't automatically make such people racist either.
A King County deputy who struck a pedestrian on his way home from work early Friday morning was the same deputy who shot and killed a man in Burien in June.
The King County Sheriff’s Office says the pedestrian was standing in “the middle of the roadway” on Pacific Highway South in Fife shortly after 2 a.m. when Deputy Cesar Molina—who was driving home following his shift in Burien—struck the pedestrian. The pedestrian was subsequently struck by another car and died at the scene.
He was running head-on toward the cop and refused to stop.
There you go then. If you charge someone with a sharp object then you have the right to defend yourself with deadly force.
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Not saying that he deserved to get shot dead, because I'd prefer to see other options first dispensed, but when I watched the in-car video of him hauling ass toward the cop my first thought was "no doubt I'd have done the same thing". The cop's other option was to hide in his locked car and what - wait for another police officer to arrive? And do what that the first officer didn't? Only a patient fool "takes a wait and see" to see what will happen before protecting themselves when they have an unknown dude running at them like that.
And I agree with you. However when someone runs up to you like that, you hardly have time to think.
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In my CHL class my instructor asked a student to come to the front of the class and then put a practice pistol in their hand. He said "aim it at me and say 'bang' when you think I've become a threat". He then walked about twenty feet away, turned around, and ran toward the student. Old fat bastage was right on top of the student before they even realized it. Kind of shocking how fast it went down. He never even got the pistol raised. Seven meters. You come running in a threatening way toward me in a situation like that and I'm pulling the trigger. I'm not waiting to flesh out your intent. I totally acknowledge that police require bravery and that some of them are totally trigger happy - that's my disclaimer. No cop needs to die just trying to feel out a situation though. We wouldn't have cops, or we'd be paying them 200k a year if death by perp was a job description.
Everyone who knows him says that he's a mild mannered good kid.
Everyone (interviewed) always says that. He could have a Facebook showing him covered Yakuza tats with posts bragging about wanting to shoot cops and people will say "he was such a good boy".
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Good post. I read an article from Seattle Times that sheds some light, but also raises more questions.
"Around midnight, three deputies were summoned by several 911 calls about a man with a sharp object, maybe a knife, threatening people in the 13600 block of Third Avenue South in Burien. One home*owner told dispatchers he had fired his handgun into the ground, hoping to scare off the man — later identified as Le.
When Le continued to approach, the homeowner fled back inside his house. Le, who was barefoot, then pounded on the door and stabbed it, screaming he was “the Creator,” according to the King County Sheriff’s Office."
Not only that he was tased which did not work. He continued at the police after being tased. Its around midnight. Its dark. The nature of the call. He actions when police had interaction with him. Zero problem with this shooting at all!!!
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