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View Poll Results: Should football players and university professors be easy to fire for their views?
Football players and university professors can be fired for their views. 142 43.03%
Neither can be fired for their views 188 56.97%
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Old 10-18-2017, 05:49 AM
 
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good!- those who want to watch can, and those who don't --bye-- but we have to let LIBERTY live
Exactly.

What kind of country would we be if people are forced to perform public displays of "patriotism?"

The goal is not to be a nation where people are forced to salute the flag, but a nation where people are proud to so.

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Old 10-18-2017, 06:02 AM
 
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Doesn't apply. Read the statute more carefully. I bolded the critical part of 18 U.S.C. § 227. Trump is not in violation. There's no evidence or reason to believe his criticisms of the NFL are motivated solely by partisan politics.

18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch:

(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
Let the apologists begin. While you guys are at it:

Trump’s Interests vs. America’s

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...erests/508382/

Mr. Trump has been campaigning to remain in office from day 1.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 06:03 AM
 
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Trump is using this to build some patriotic cred with his racist base.

The players are showing that Ben Franklin was right. "We either all hang together or we all hang separately."

It's a lesson that we should all take to heart.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 06:03 AM
 
Location: On the Beach
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this has gotten SO old, just another deflection on tRump's part to deflect on his failures. I don't care if players stand, kneel or flip the flag the bird. It's time to move on. Meanwhile, healthcare is at a standstill, no federal budget, a tax plan to hugely inflate the deficit, no progress on North Korea, Iran, the list goes on. But tRump wants to talk about football. He's beyond ridiculous.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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This is not a liberty, or first amendment issue. This is a workplace conduct issue, and an employer issue. The players are disrespecting their customers by bringing politics into entertainment. If the team owners, and league are OK with it, that is fine. I respect that they are willingly destroying their product, and destroying customer relations. They are free to do that. I am free to turn it off, and I, and many others have done just that.
This is not a workplace conduct issue. The players have contracts that do not stipulate they can't have a display of protest before, during or after games. Further, the players have demonstrated through previous work stoppages that they are co-owners of the product. The owners know that without these specific players that they have no viable product to own.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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This is not a workplace conduct issue. The players have contracts that do not stipulate they can't have a display of protest before, during or after games. Further, the players have demonstrated through previous work stoppages that they are co-owners of the product. The owners know that without these specific players that they have no viable product to own.
Several years ago the NFL made an agreement with the U.S. Armed forces that the players would stand for the anthem, and flag. It is purely a workplace conduct issue. Now the players are putting political content into their end zone celebrations. As I said before, that is fine if the league tolerates it. I won't. I was their customer, and they are losing a lot of customers, and revenue.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 06:10 AM
 
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Socialism is a vice..not a virtue. It also has the effect of dumbing down its subjects over the long term, not increasing their awareness and intelligence.

Take for example the pledge of allegiance which was created by the socialist minister Bellamy in the late 19th century and widely adopted. It was supposed to create a more 'unified' country due to the increasing wealth inequality and help solve other ills of its day. The Nazis actually used the Bellamy salute as a part of their regime of socialism.

What happened after the Pledge of Allegiance was adopted?...the first world war, the roaring twenties and the great depression.

It is ironic that this socialistic driven Anthem issue is being propagated involving a sport that is heavily involved with

Alcohol abuse
Drug abuse
Gambling
violence at the venues
other nefarious behaviour

It was also not required before 2009 that players be present on the field during the Anthem.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 06:15 AM
 
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This is not a liberty, or first amendment issue. This is a workplace conduct issue, and an employer issue. The players are disrespecting their customers by bringing politics into entertainment. If the team owners, and league are OK with it, that is fine. I respect that they are willingly destroying their product, and destroying customer relations. They are free to do that. I am free to turn it off, and I, and many others have done just that.
If this is a "workplace conduct issue", why is the POTUS getting involved?

Didn't he say at one of his political rallies:

"Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now. Out. He's fired. He's fired!"
 
Old 10-18-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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You are stating the issue incorrectly. It is a common practice to fire employees if the employees engage in or comment an act that is inappropriate for the position or company or places the company in a bad light. We see this every day. In the case of the NFL players they are employed to play football. They decide to engage in an action not only during their employment but clearly during the Flag and National Anthem, Clearly they should be fired based on established employment law. Yes they can protest on their off time.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 06:20 AM
 
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this has gotten SO old, just another deflection on tRump's part to deflect on his failures. I don't care if players stand, kneel or flip the flag the bird. It's time to move on. Meanwhile, healthcare is at a standstill, no federal budget, a tax plan to hugely inflate the deficit, no progress on North Korea, Iran, the list goes on. But tRump wants to talk about football. He's beyond ridiculous.
wholeheartedly agree, he's unfit for office:

“This man in the Oval Office is a soulless coward who thinks that he can only become large by belittling others. This has of course been a common practice of his, but to do it in this manner—and to lie about how previous presidents responded to the deaths of soldiers—is as low as it gets. We have a pathological liar in the White House, unfit intellectually, emotionally, and psychologically to hold this office, and the whole world knows it, especially those around him every day. The people who work with this president should be ashamed, because they know better than anyone just how unfit he is, and yet they choose to do nothing about it. This is their shame most of all.”

A Soulless Coward’: Coach Gregg Popovich Responds to Trump

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-...onds-to-trump/
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