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It's behind their pay wall so I'm not going to link to it, but WaPo is reporting the NFL is endorsing legislation that would mean lighter sentences for drug felons. That'll warm the hearts of all Americans.
Still waiting for a good answer as to why NFL should should to be associated with patriotism or the flag in any way.
The pledge of allegiance is actually socialistic in nature, as is coercing people to do things that they may not want to do "for the sake of the country" and "respect".
In case you are not aware, the U.S.A. was formed to get away from the socialist nature of Britain, not emulate it. Much of the revolution being based on taxation without representation.
The heavily tax-subsidized nature of the NFL also makes it socialistic in nature. So much hypocrisy.
How, why or should does the NFL represent patriotism and U.S. values in any way?
Pseudo intellectuals crack me up.
Most people WANT to like our country. The Anthem has always been played (all all HS, College & Professional sporting events) because generations upon generations of sportsmen have WANTED to play the anthem. & Spectators wanted to honor flag and country by standing during the Anthem.
No one is forced to do it, it's what (most of us) do & it's what (most of us) have always done.
We know our (long) history with Britain. & we know local Govt. subsidize stadiums. Which has nothing to do with our Flag, our Troops, our Anthem, & (for most of us) our love of country.
If Owners, Teams or the entire NFL want to kneel during the Anthem.....or stop playing the anthem altogether.... it's THEIR choice. They can do what they want.
Most people WANT to like our country. The Anthem has always been played (all all HS, College & Professional sporting events) because generations upon generations of sportsmen have WANTED to play the anthem. & Spectators wanted to honor flag and country by standing during the Anthem.
No one is forced to do it, it's what (most of us) do & it's what (most of us) have always done.
We know our (long) history with Britain. & we know local Govt. subsidize stadiums. Which has nothing to do with our Flag, our Troops, our Anthem, & (for most of us) our love of country.
If Owners, Teams or the entire NFL want to kneel during the Anthem.....or stop playing the anthem altogether.... it's THEIR choice. They can do what they want.
& then Fans will make their choice as well.
So what does the NFL have to do with patriotism?, you failed to mention that other than spectators want to honor their country.
Correlation does not obviously always equal causation and vice-versa. This is a great example of that.
Because a large part of the NFL's fan base happen to consider themselves 'Patriots', the NFL has been made into some type of icon for patriotism, which is frankly absurd and shameful.
The NFL has everything to do with socialist crony-capitalism and nothing to do with patriotism except for the fact that many of the fans use it as a type of religious church service for patriotism.
You can call me a pseudo intellectual all you want, it doesn't bother me. It shouldn't really bother you if i call most of these fans pseudo-patriots who are quite ignorant either.
So what does the NFL have to do with patriotism? It doesn't. You failed to mention that other than spectators want to honor their country. That was kind of the point. 75,000 fans are together & the owner and the fans (historically) wanted to take 2-3 min. out and honor their country.
Correlation does not obviously always equal causation and vice-versa. This is a great example of that. Correct. If the Owners or the Players or the Fans don't want to honor the country, then it probably won't continue.
Because a large part of the NFL's fan base happen to consider themselves 'Patriots', the NFL has been made into some type of icon for patriotism, which is frankly absurd and shameful. Why is it absurd? & Why would being Patriotic EVER be considered shameful??
The NFL has everything to do with socialist crony-capitalism - no, It's about 75,000 Americans getting together & watching a football game. Whether you want to call the NFL socialist, or capitalist is irrelevant. Whether the players are Democrats or Republicans is irrelevant. We were (are) all Americans & until very recently, most Americans wanted to hear the Anthem and most American men want to see Cheerleaders on the sideline cheering & Football Players on the field running, throwing & catching. (not kneeling) and nothing to do with patriotism except for the fact that many of the fans use it as a type of religious church service for patriotism. Why are you comparing someone attending Church and the National Anthem? It's not a Church Service & they have nothing in common. That's pretty weird.
You can call me a pseudo intellectual all you want, it doesn't bother me. It shouldn't really bother you if i call most of these fans pseudo-patriots who are quite ignorant either.
Are you anti National Anthem? or Anti Church? or Both?
When you attend a game or watch a game at a bar, do you mention to the dude next to you (who's watching the game with a Beer in his hand, a plate of Nachos in front of him and a $110 Player Jersey on) that it's been more and more distracting for you to watch because the Teams are merely pawns in a Socialist, Crony-Capitalist Scheme....& that the Inspired Kneeling of the players has you wanting to turn the TV off.....so you can re-live the events of Ferguson & Baltimore by watching several hours of You Tube instead of the football game?
I bet the players & owners are glad that they're ejecting all of the Beer & a Shot patriotic Fans.....In Favor of the Pseudo Intellectual Fans. The ones with their sweaters tied around their waist....& looking hard at the TV trying to determine just which player has the Tightest End.
Can I take those two cents and throw them right back at you. You later mention "if it bleeds, it leads." Unless you speak of the local community, charitable activities or protests, the news don't talk about anything unless it is negative. That said people like you will continue to complain that athletes are making political comments. Also, before Trump made his comment the last kneeling player I remember anything about was Marshawn Lynch during a pre-season game cause it happened in my backyard. Trump took a fired up story that only a few people still cared about and relaunched it. I don't know why people continue to not blame Trump for this.
"That said people like you will continue to complain that athletes are making political comments."
I present the proof.
There are 1596 players in the NFL.
870 of them have been arrested since the year 2000.
More than half of the players in the NFL have been arrested and charged with criminal activity. Most if not all were convicted. So YES, it is the majority that are criminals. Many players are fine and outstanding, the majority are criminals.
NFL arrest record by team since 200[SIZE=3]T[/SIZE]eam # of Arrests Since 2000
Minnesota Vikings 42
Cincinnati Bengals 40
Denver Broncos 36
Tennessee Titans 33
Miami Dolphins 28
Kansas City Chiefs 28
Jacksonville Jaguars 27
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 27
Cleveland Browns 26
San Diego Chargers 25
Indianapolis Colts 24
Chicago Bears 23
Seattle Seahawks 20
New Orleans Saints 20
Washington Redskins 18
Oakland Raiders 18
Baltimore Ravens 18
Carolina Panthers 18
Green Bay Packers 17
Pittsburgh Steelers 17
Atlanta Falcons 16
San Francisco 49ers 16
Detroit Lions 15
New England Patriots 15
Buffalo Bills 14
Dallas Cowboys 13
New York Giants 13
Arizona Cardinals 12
New York Jets 11
Philadelphia Eagles 10
Houston Texans 9
St Louis Rams 8
Total 656
Standard for large public gatherings, people unite and reaffirm their belief in country and freedom. No attending customer is forced to stand or show respect. The players, however, are why people come there and should be expected to show proper respect and if they don't like it they can work somewhere else or buy a ticket like everyone else
Well said.
(I tried to say something similar, but not as coherently as your post).
I really like this. "Standard for large public gatherings, people unite and reaffirm their belief in country and freedom..." & will use it when communicating with others.
But even so, how does that give Americans a pass at doing something that ALL police forces want: compliance.
It does not matter if the order is arguably illegal or even PATENTLY illegal. We are not talking about something absurd like the officer want you to hand over your daughter or ask for a bribe. But if he want you to keep your hands in plain sight -- comply. If he want to search your car without a warrant and your consent -- comply then challenge in court.
When I was active duty, I have been to the Middle East where police asking for bribes is often expected and the citizen complied. The US in particular and the West in general are far better than most of the world when it comes to the police. So if the American police officer ask you to keep your hands in plain sight, why is that so difficult to comply ?
But even so, how does that give Americans a pass at doing something that ALL police forces want: compliance.
It does not matter if the order is arguably illegal or even PATENTLY illegal. We are not talking about something absurd like the officer want you to hand over your daughter or ask for a bribe. But if he want you to keep your hands in plain sight -- comply. If he want to search your car without a warrant and your consent -- comply then challenge in court.
There is NOTHING to challenge in court if you comply. I figure you know this though.
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When I was active duty, I have been to the Middle East where police asking for bribes is often expected and the citizen complied. The US in particular and the West in general are far better than most of the world when it comes to the police. So if the American police officer ask you to keep your hands in plain sight, why is that so difficult to comply ?
Nobody has argued it is. You have no valid argument.
Is the constant non stop media coverage. I feel like it's being shoved in my face every night on the news and sports and I don't care. An example is I get excited to watch football pregame, and then for the first 20 minutes they waste my time talking about a non sports topic. If the media would stop covering it so much, it wouldn't be as big of a deal. Then the protestors want to make themselves think and be perceived as heros and they get their camera time.
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What bothers me most about the anthem protests
