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I came across this video earlier today. A Black YouTuber basically said that Black Americans have no allies, quoting Dr. John Henrik Clarke. Another thing that crossed my mind was this thread. Now, I feel I need to preface this post. I am not advocating being tribal and clannish. This is just something I thought about.
To be honest, I don't know how many Black Americans advocate for other non-White people. Given what I've seen on social media and what I've seen in real life, I haven't seen many Blacks advocate for other persons of color. And I haven't seen that many Hispanics or Asians advocate for Blacks. At least not in my experiences.
As for an answer to this question, I don't know what to feel. It's difficult for me to come up with a consensus. On one hand, I always want to be empathetic. If someone is being harmed or discriminated against, it's important to speak up and say something. On the other hand, I often wonder how many people feel the same.
I am all for supporting "individuals" who are being discriminated against and that would include whites also. I don't understand this topic. Why would blacks only advocate for other minorities anyway? I refuse to claim victimhood for an entire race these days though. This is no longer 1960!
We do,it is just that democrats silence the issue. Trust,i know plenty of us that wont vote for democrats or republicans that are passive about illegals.
I appreciate your common sense and respect for the rule of law. Thank you!
I came across this video earlier today. A Black YouTuber basically said that Black Americans have no allies, quoting Dr. John Henrik Clarke. Another thing that crossed my mind was this thread. Now, I feel I need to preface this post. I am not advocating being tribal and clannish. This is just something I thought about.
To be honest, I don't know how many Black Americans advocate for other non-White people. Given what I've seen on social media and what I've seen in real life, I haven't seen many Blacks advocate for other persons of color. And I haven't seen that many Hispanics or Asians advocate for Blacks. At least not in my experiences.
As for an answer to this question, I don't know what to feel. It's difficult for me to come up with a consensus. On one hand, I always want to be empathetic. If someone is being harmed or discriminated against, it's important to speak up and say something. On the other hand, I often wonder how many people feel the same.
We don’t need to advocate for other people of color. We won’t stand in their way when they advocate for themselves but its not our job to carry their water for them.
1) You are far in the minority that thinks we don't need LE
2) And hate the police in general.
3) You need to do some soul searching and understand why we do need LE especially these days.
4) Yes, there is something wrong with self-interest because it rules everyone else out.
5) Not everyone votes based on their own self-interests and I'm a prime example of that.
6) No, you can't vote only based on your own self-interests while also including the rest of society.
7) I'm not interested in talking about corporations and what they do and don't do as it's not in keeping with this topic. I'm not interested in talking about greed either as it has nothing to do with the topic either. This topic is about whether or not Blacks should advocate for other minorities.
8) IMO, everyone should advocate for each other regardless of their race, respect our laws and vote based on what is good for our country and its citizens as a whole.
1) That is correct.
2) That is incorrect.
3) I know why the police exist. Your argument is that they are necessary. My argument is that they are only necessary in a country filled with strangers who hate each other.
4) The philosophical supposition of capitalism is that individuals pursuing their self-interest benefits everyone. Why do you hate capitalism?
5) Wrong.
6) I can and I do.
7) The principle being debated is whether it is advisable for people to advocate for their own race. Your argument is that advocating for your race is wrong because no one should pursue their self-interest.
8) You believe I should place the interests of a bunch of strangers that I don't know, who happen live under the same government as me by accident of birth, most of whom hate me and wish I were dead, over my own interests. I say that is completely irrational. Which is why sane people don't do it.
Governments were instituted among men to secure the Creator endowed rights of all men. Absent consent of the governed, they were limited to adjudicating disputes, prosecuting criminals, and defending against all enemies, foreign or domestic. (aka "republican form of government")
Everything else is empowered by consent of the governed.
(Caveat - consent waives endowed rights)
Since no endowed right is taxable, all taxes are limited to privileges granted by "constitutional" government.
Coincidentally, slavery was a revenue taxable privilege under the democratic form of government.
And socialism is 100% consensual (FICA is not mandatory).
So "all men" have rights, except those who have consented to be socialist serfs / slaves of the Collective State.
In a "tax and bribe" government, partisanship and discrimination dominate.
Tax him - bribe ME!
Governments were instituted among men to secure the Creator endowed rights of all men.
Government existed long before Thomas Jefferson's hallowed parchment(and that didn't apply to all men/women when he wrote it).
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Consent of the governed
No such thing. As Lysander Spooner wrote... "The only idea they have ever manifested as to what is a government of consent, is this – that it is one to which everybody must consent, or be shot."
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Socialism is 100% consensual
You're hilarious.
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics
In a "tax and bribe" government, partisanship and discrimination dominate.
Tax him - bribe ME!
"The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Frederic Bastiat
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3) I know why the police exist. Your argument is that they are necessary. My argument is that they are only necessary in a country filled with strangers who hate each other.
4) The philosophical supposition of capitalism is that individuals pursuing their self-interest benefits everyone. Why do you hate capitalism?
5) Wrong.
6) I can and I do.
7) The principle being debated is whether it is advisable for people to advocate for their own race. Your argument is that advocating for your race is wrong because no one should pursue their self-interest.
8) You believe I should place the interests of a bunch of strangers that I don't know, who happen live under the same government as me by accident of birth, most of whom hate me and wish I were dead, over my own interests. I say that is completely irrational. Which is why sane people don't do it.
You're so wrong and so so far off the wall that there is no sense in debating this issue with you anymore.
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