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Wait. So Manafort's ties to Russia go back 11 years, and your logic is that instead of looking into all that activity, they should just end the investigation instead. Sure, bro'. I'm sure they'll get right on that.
Actually if you read the link it likely has to do with other things not connected to Russia.
That is they ways special councils work. They keep digging until they find something. It does not have to have anything to do with the original purpose of the investigation.
Good example is Bill and Hillary and the whitewater special council. Neither of them got charged under the whitewater part of the investigation but 15 others around them did. Later in the investigation Clinton got nailed.
So more than likely things are not going well on the russia part of this probe but they did find dirt in Manaforts past.
Manafort was under investigation for months prior to the raid. The idea that despite months to cleanse any incriminating evidence, he would have kept it at his house, because he's so stupid it never occurred to him they might look there, is pure fantasy. It was a political stunt, designed to create the impression of guilt & create a feeding frenzy for the mouth breathing lefties like you, who're operating on base emotion, rather than common sense.
You figure, Mueller is a mouth breathing lefty and a very stupid prosecutor who should have known Manafort was smarter than him and would have destroyed all evidence of any wrong doing?
Also, the independant Judge who signed the FISA warrant was grandstanding for a political stunt?
Actually if you read the link it likely has to do with other things not connected to Russia.
That is they ways special councils work. They keep digging until they find something. It does not have to have anything to do with the original purpose of the investigation.
Good example is Bill and Hillary and the whitewater special council. Neither of them got charged under the whitewater part of the investigation but 15 others around them did. Later in the investigation Clinton got nailed.
So more than likely things are not going well on the russia part of this probe but they did find dirt in Manaforts past.
That explains things better. I never did follow Whitewater too closely once it went off tangent.
There is no statue of limitation on tax fraud. If they have found recent tax fraud in say the last couple of years then going back further is not uncommon.
What you call a fishing expedition is simply an indepth, well run investigation. You DO want to know the truth, don't you ? No GOOD AMERICAN would want anything otherwise, and I do imagine you see yourself as a good American.
I didn't hear any Republicans complaining when Ken Starr progressed from a real estate investigation to a BJ investigation.
What's your hurry???
Yep, same with all the investigations into Hillary Clinton. She has been investigated more than any human being on the planet, and they are still calling for more.
I know that. This would be the 3rd FISA warrant on Manafort then.
The first one got closed..no evidence and no charges.
The second one got closed in Jan of this year. No indictation on the results of that.
But if they had to get a FISA warrant to raid his home then that means the one ended in January didn't produce anything because then they could have gotten a regular warrant.
Maybe they need to go further back. Maybe Manafort did something in HS that they can charge him with.
Then they can use that to impeach Trump
First off, even liberals know it's highly unlikely Trump can be indicted as president.
Second liberals also know that the chances of Trump getting impeached are slim to none with a republican controlled house, senate and executive office.
Slim just left town on that one.
What Mueller can and probably will show is that the Trump campaign were deep in the muck of Russian collusion and worked in tandem with them to swing the election in Trumps favor.
He'll prove that Trump knew who, when and where the Podesta emails were hacked and Trump's campaign staff coordinated with Russian hackers to disseminate them.
Third, he'll also reveal that Trump Organization has been laundering dirty Russian money through his real estate operations. When Trump is no longer president in 2020, the indictments will be waiting for him.
I know that. This would be the 3rd FISA warrant on Manafort then.
The first one got closed..no evidence and no charges.
The second one got closed in Jan of this year. No indictation on the results of that.
But if they had to get a FISA warrant to raid his home then that means the one ended in January didn't produce anything because then they could have gotten a regular warrant.
Maybe they need to go further back. Maybe Manafort did something in HS that they can charge him with.
Then they can use that to impeach Trump
I heard his best friend in kindergarten was a Russian foreign exchange student. That proves right there he is guilty.
First off, even liberals know it's highly unlikely Trump can be indicted as president.
Second liberals also know that the chances of Trump getting impeached are slim to none with a republican controlled house, senate and executive office.
Slim just left town on that one.
What Mueller can and probably will show is that the Trump campaign were deep in the muck of Russian collusion and worked in tandem with them to swing the election in Trumps favor.
He'll prove that Trump knew who, when and where the Podesta emails were hacked and Trump's campaign staff coordinated with Russian hackers to disseminate them.
Third, he'll also reveal that Trump Organization has been laundering dirty Russian money through his real estate operations. When Trump is no longer president in 2020, the indictments will be waiting for him.
Well why not just save them the time to investigate. Call up Mueller with your "findings" so they can grab the evidence you say exists and charge them all.
If Manafort did no wrong, he has nothing to worry about.
This is a convenient argument, unless you believe in justice under the law. It's really no different than stop & frisk proponents saying "If Black guys aren't doing anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about". I for one, am not comfortable with two separate justice systems, with two separate sets of punishments depending on the accused, but many on the left clearly are.
John Podesta, who we know had secret financial ties linking him to the Kremlin, lied about his hidden financial interests & he not only wasn't charged by the Obama admin, nor was he even asked to step down, but rather he was promoted to chief aide to Obama & then put in charge of Hillary's campaign. This was LITERALLY the exact same situation, but with a separate justice system because Podesta is a D. Same with Hillary Clinton. How can any self described liberal be ok with Comey declaring Hillary not guilty, before he ever investigated? What if Sessions had simply written up a document declaring the Trump admin not guilty, rather than recusing himself? You would have lost your f'ing mind! On that note, the left was screaming mad that Sessions couldn't impartially investigate Russian collusion. An issue literally created by paying the nebulous Fusion GPS & foreign intelligence agents to create dirt on Trump to be used as the basis to launch an investigation against him. Yet, despite the demands that Sessions couldn't be impartial, you see nothing wrong with Comey intentionally leaking classified info, in order to get his best friend Robert Mueller appointed, who in turn in investigating the obstruction of justice charges being launched by his best friend Comey. How about this....let's re-open the Hillary Clinton email investigation & we'll have Sessions, Trey Gowdy, a couple attorneys from the Koch Foundation and a couple of Trump's personal attorneys investigate her? Does that sound like an investigation or a hit team? That's exactly what is happening to Trump, with Mueller padding his team full of Hillary donors and even Hillary's actual attorney. It's like having the fox investigate the hen house and everyone knows it.
I know you just want to "win" and you want to "get" Trump, but think like a grown up. If you support these blatant travesties of justice, you are complicit in the end of equal justice under the law & this becoming the new norm.
Last edited by Mason3000; 09-20-2017 at 01:53 PM..
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