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Old 10-10-2017, 05:36 PM
 
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You listed things you thought were inappropriate behavior, and those occurred during the campaign. I agree that his statement (if I'd heard that) would have not been acceptable about hitting someone.

Making campaign promises is Standard 101 . . he WOULD make healthcare better IF he actually received some support from Congress, but since they're choosing to act like kindergartners he has no support.

Other than those couple of issues, you haven't listed anything that proves he should not be our President.
Katie, I know you're a fair, thoughtful poster and it IS so bloody hard to communicate well via the net.

I'm not trying to say he's illegitimate as President ... or has done anything worthy of the 25th Amendment. There was an election. He won. Nor do I "hate" the man, finding that term both divisive and WAY overused. YOU didn't say that, BTW.

My initial point was more that anyone voicing concern or opposition to Trump actions or Presidential "temperament" is NOT (necessarily) because they are the puppet of the Liberal News Media spewing Fake News. My brother tries that line and, frankly, it's a tad offensive (when HE did it). Like (talking to my brother here) ... are you calling me STUPID, no mind of my own?

And if MY reasoning for both voting against and continuing to express concern about Tump is insufficient for another? Well, I guess that's THEIR call.

Now about the campaign promises? Per an earlier post, my professional background has been to do the homework ... get into the details ... otherwise they'll come up and bite you. That influences HOW I view others, for better or worse.

Trump had NOTHING, no beautiful healthcare plan at the exact same time he was promising otherwise - with millions believing in him. The website offering was pitiful. He ran a shoestring campaign (again, my take is he didn't expect to win) with no backing policy papers, proposals under development that I could find when I looked pre-election. Certainly, he doesn't show an intrinsic understanding of the issue or pre-prep.

But THAT did not keep him from getting up there at the pedestal and touting away about what did not EXIST.

The failure to repeal / replace ... yeah ... it's all the Republican's fault?

No argument that modifying health care might have STILL been a hard sell even if Trump had been prepared.

What's the Trump line? Who knew how HARD healthcare was. Yeah, who knew? I'd start with millions of Americans.

Trump was flying blind from the very beginning.

That's the kind of stuff that bugs me.

He's not a politician even. More an (often) failed salesman.

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Old 10-10-2017, 08:19 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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I'm impressed. I read through each and every one of these posts. With the exception of a few Trump diehards these are some of the most intelligent well thought out comments I've ever seen in this forum showing Trump for what he is, a clear and present danger to the Constitution and the safety of the American people. More comments. Please.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Before I begin this post, I registered to vote as a Republican years ago. I am far more inclined to agree with right wing arguments over the left on most issues.

No. I did not vote for Trump. Yet because of the right's endorsement, tolerance and enablement of Trump, I doubt that I could ever vote for a republican again unless there is such a massive, complete purge and overhaul of the party that it would likely resemble something drastically different than what it is now.
The Republican party is dead to me after Trump. Doesn't mean I'd go running to the democrats but it will take me quite alot to ever consider voting for another Republican or anyone who refused to stand on principle and oppose this train wreck before it became too late.

Where do I even BEGIN? I'm tired of anxiously checking the news every day, which becomes SO easy now with 24/7 cable news and an iPhone, just to see what latest stupid thing this fool said or did and how close we are to a war or some other catastrophe because this idiot has utterly no idea what he is doing and won't listen to those who do.

I remember last weekend feeling somewhat relieved when I heard that Rex Tillerson was making some progress de-escalating things with North Korea and then waking up Sunday to see that Trump Tweeted that he is "wasting his time"!! So with a few taps on his phone, this idiot manages to destroy whatever progress our diplomats made, alienates us from the rest of the world that wants to see a diplomatic resolution or containment and effectively neuters his own Secretary of State and for that matter, the very OFFICE of the SOS for as long as Trump remains president.

I don't know what's worse. That or the notion that some people actually think he knows what the hell he is doing, like he's playing some version of "good cop - bad cop" when the reality is, he has the demonstrative mentality and temperament of a five year old(With apologies to five year olds), who wants to show everyone who's boss and who needs constant attention or he will act up to get it.

How did we GET to this point? How did so many grown adults who voted or members of the Republican party who MUST have known better decide to enable this circus show?

I really don't know what is worse, the daily embarrassments this man-child visits on our once great country and office or POTUS or the fact that there are actually still people out there who think he is doing a good job?! I am amazed when I see the presidential approval rating and there are 25 or 30% of Americans who are actually convinced that Trump is doing a good job.

What is scarier, that a unprepared, unintelligent, narcissistic reality TV buffoon is now president with all of the attendant chaos and dysfunction that would logically ensue in such a scenario or that we have such a large number of Americans who seem functionally incapable of rational thought when asked to judge his fitness for office?!

That or the cynical republicans know damn well what Trump is but think it's ok to gamble our nation's future in order to get some legislation passed. *How's THAT working out?! BTW?*

I'm tired of Trump's petty Twitter fights and thin skin. I'm tired of his constant need for attention and praise and I'm tired of turning on the news every day and finding new ways to be astonished at the capacity for human stupidity and adults at the highest levels of power acting like complete children.

His entire strategy as POTUS seems to be attempting to roll back everything Obama accomplished purely out of spite, reacting to every perceived insult with skin thinner than wet tissue paper and giving MAGA speeches to rally the base while he is systematically doing the opposite of MAGA.

I guess I feel like Bob Corker and I'm tired of pretending the Emperor has no clothes and tolerating those who do.
I sincerely hope daily that Trump is impeached, the 25th amendment is invoked or he get's bored and decides to resign and claim victory so that this nightmare is over sooner than another 3.5 years or so.
Nice rant that it should be repeated.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Center City
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It’s simply exhausting to go through another news day. What did we learn today? That Trump was challenging his own Secretary of State to an IQ standoff, that he is doing battle with a senator of his own party he calls “Liddle Bob Corker†(a reference to his short stature), and that ESPN is suffering due to the performance of a female African American analyst who made negative comments about him. And that’s not all of today’s nonsense. Consider all the energy he is directing toward the NFL when people are losing lives and property in California. It’s far beyond sad - it’s becoming quite scary. People: this is our president! It’s hard to absorb the damage he is doing.

I have never been as concerned for our country as I am today. Watergate was a low point for our country but both Republican and a Democratic legislators put the country before their parties. I see no such character and courage today.
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:26 PM
 
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It’s simply exhausting to go through another news day. What did we learn today? That Trump was challenging his own Secretary of State to an IQ standoff, that he is doing battle with a senator of his own party he calls “Liddle Bob Corker” (a reference to his short stature), and that ESPN is suffering due to the performance of a female African American analyst who made negative comments about him. And that’s not all of today’s nonsense. Consider all the energy he is directing toward the NFL when people are losing lives and property in California. It’s far beyond sad - it’s becoming quite scary. People: this is our president! It’s hard to absorb the damage he is doing.

I have never been as concerned for our country as I am today. Watergate was a low point for our country but both Republican and a Democratic legislators put the country before their parties. I see no such character and courage today.
Don't fret. Our country survived eight long years of the imbecile you voted for twice, so we will be fine under President Trump.

I'm still waiting for any Democrat to put country before party and clearly I'll be waiting forever in your case.

Odd that you're outraged about Trump's focus on defending the national anthem and the flag. I don't recall ever reading a post from you about the Democrats' misguided focus on any number of issues, including alleged Russian collusion (what a joke), transgender bathrooms, etc. etc. Do you care that your political party hasn't had a new idea to address any problem in the last 40 years? For all of Trump's faults, he is at the very least discussing issues that matter to Americans, such as jobs, the economy, illegal immigration, and the importance of respecting LE and the military. Your side has been guilty of the failures you attribute to Trump, yet you can't see it.
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:21 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Don't fret. Our country survived eight long years of the imbecile you voted for twice, so we will be fine under President Trump.

I'm still waiting for any Democrat to put country before party and clearly I'll be waiting forever in your case.

Odd that you're outraged about Trump's focus on defending the national anthem and the flag. I don't recall ever reading a post from you about the Democrats' misguided focus on any number of issues, including alleged Russian collusion (what a joke), transgender bathrooms, etc. etc. Do you care that your political party hasn't had a new idea to address any problem in the last 40 years? For all of Trump's faults, he is at the very least discussing issues that matter to Americans, such as jobs, the economy, illegal immigration, and the importance of respecting LE and the military. Your side has been guilty of the failures you attribute to Trump, yet you can't see it.
SMDH. Trump is the worst president in history. You may have not liked President Obama and some of his decisions, however he was respectful to all and respected by leaders around the world.

No one in the GOP is standing up to this toddler we have in the White House. He has no business acumen, no idea how to be a dilplomat and tears down anyone who disagrees with him. He hasnt done a thing to create jobs. He has only tweeted out nonsense.

This idiotic notion that people are disrespecting the flag is infuriating. It's their constitutional right to kneel. The kneeling started because Kaepernick talked to a veteran and chose to kneel as a sign of respect for the country and protesting racism.
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:09 AM
 
Location: Delaware Native
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SMDH. He hasnt done a thing to create jobs.
Are you living on another planet?
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:17 AM
 
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Are you living on another planet?
Yes, Earth. Join us?
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Trump: A Rant

The OP lays it out well.

The Pubs went into the toilet when they willingly and enthusiastically embraced the ignorant "religious right" a couple of decades back. Since then they've become increasingly irrational and divisive. No less a conservative than Barry Goldwater warned them against cozying up to those crackpots.

In their deep hypocrisy, these so-called "christians" support a transparent charlatan like tRump.

tRump is a symptom, not the disease.

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Old 10-11-2017, 06:37 AM
 
Location: 57
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Default We've been played by master chess players.

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... It's scary how few people viewed their own responsibility as citizens like some kind of internet survey prank over who was hot or not or who they voted for on American Idol....like it was all a big joke and you were going to "stick it" to someone by giving this clown this much power...
You can credit Russia's disinformation campaign as well. Current investigations are reporting that Russian troublemakers bought and fostered false narratives that Americans eagerly ate up and regurgitated to their friends and others over the internet and social media. You see remnants of these memes on this forum still.
We've been played, Trump's crew knew about it and said "great." They're still denying it. And Bannon and crew are keeping it going with Breitbart and Robert Mercer's money. They're traitors to this country.
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