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Old 10-13-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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People finally had a glimmer of hope for better health care options for less money with the EO. The Dems will look very bad trying to stop this, so the Reps will win even if they lose. You know it's the insurance companies who will block this EO because (gasp!) it means they will have to compete for customers, offer better plans and lower prices. They can't allow that to happen!

 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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Please. For many millions of us self employed costs have gone up 150-200%. I have no sympathy for anyone who says costs will skyrocket.

We've been hit hard for the last 4 years.
Let’s not forget the millions who lost healthcare coverage because of ACA.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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People finally had a glimmer of hope for better health care options for less money with the EO. The Dems will look very bad trying to stop this, so the Reps will win even if they lose. You know it's the insurance companies who will block this EO because (gasp!) it means they will have to compete for customers, offer better plans and lower prices. They can't allow that to happen!
They still can make money hand over fist with these policies. $100 a month with $10,000 deductible and a plan that provides a yearly doctor visit and 2 boxes of Band-Aids.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:31 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Gladly. As soon as the Republicans stop trying to push **** through congress and actually have conversations and include Democrats in the development of any bill. Given the ACA took months of discussion between both parties, anything the Republicans try to push through in days is beyond stupid.
LOL. Dems blocked any input from Repubs behind closed doors and private meetings. That's why zero R's voted for this disaster.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:33 PM
 
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Trump is an SOB, what do we expect. Am LOL at friends who voted for him, lost jobs and health care.

Now you know what the rest of us went through.

The constant bringing up Obama is a just sour grapes from a bunch of racists, who try to deny they aren't. We aren't stupid.
try again pal, what obama did in authorizing those subsidies was ILLEGAL, and that was federal court RULING on the matter. congress controls the purse strings, not the president. trump countermanded an ILLEGAL executive order on the subsidies, and threw the ball back into congresses court. they are the ones that have to appropriate the money for any subsidies.

we live in a republic where congress makes the laws, the president carries out those laws. congress appropriates the money, not the president.

if you want a dictatorship where one person makes the laws, and spends the money, then move to a country with such a form of government.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:35 PM
 
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People finally had a glimmer of hope for better health care options for less money with the EO. The Dems will look very bad trying to stop this, so the Reps will win even if they lose. You know it's the insurance companies who will block this EO because (gasp!) it means they will have to compete for customers, offer better plans and lower prices. They can't allow that to happen!
I don't think this is going to go down how you think it will. Some states have allowed for interstate competition for years, and it hasn't gone anywhere. It just doesn't make sense for an insurance company. The big ones already ARE in multiple states... but if you live in NY, it makes 0 sense for you to buy a cheaper plan in AZ because that plan is going to force you to see doctors in AZ. It does make sense for some people, like snowbirds, and they do just that in present day.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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I have never been able to understand why people are always screaming about insurance all the time.

My sister pays $3270 a year for employer provided insurance for her family of 6, husband and 4 kids. I pay $350 a year, plus the no insurance penalty, for my family of 3, that is an annual physical and blood work. Last time I needed to go to the hospital was a year ago when my son broke his leg and that only cost me $1200 at the hospital and another $2200 for all the castings, none of which would have been insurance paid with today's deductibles. If I had paid for insurance plus all that I would be WAY worse off. Hell it only cost $3500 for the birth of my son and that includes the 40 weeks of doctors visits and ultrasounds/blood work and the C-section.

Insurance is a scam and not even the real problem with our health costs to begin with. Wish we would get off this insurance kick and focus on really cutting and controlling costs; prescriptions, hospitals, ambulances, and specialists are the real problem.

Fine for people with employer health insurance.
But what about everyone else?
The way things are going, employer sponsored healthcare is going the way of employer sponsored pensions....
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:42 PM
 
Location: FL
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Subsidies like Medicare? That is only funded one third by its recipients. The difference is the seniors vote and Republicans are terrified of them. Why should one demographic be treated better than the rest? Because they vote. Right now, Trump and the Republican Party went on record to show how much they are willing to hurt people in order to declare victory against the previous black president. They really have that much hate. We'll see if the states prevail.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:44 PM
 
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Fine for people with employer health insurance.
But what about everyone else?
The way things are going, employer sponsored healthcare is going the way of employer sponsored pensions....
What makes you say that? I haven't seen anything to make me believe employer sponsored healthcare is becoming extinct... If anything, companies have gotten more generous in some ways.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 02:48 PM
 
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I don't think this is going to go down how you think it will. Some states have allowed for interstate competition for years, and it hasn't gone anywhere. It just doesn't make sense for an insurance company. The big ones already ARE in multiple states... but if you live in NY, it makes 0 sense for you to buy a cheaper plan in AZ because that plan is going to force you to see doctors in AZ. It does make sense for some people, like snowbirds, and they do just that in present day.
thats not what allowing people to but insurance across state lines means, and you know it. no one is going to be forced to travel from arizona to new york or vice versa because they buy a plan in a state other than the one they live in.

what it will allow is wider availability of insurance for everyone. an insurance company based in arizona is still going to have to abide by regulations in new york. and doctors are not going to care where their money comes from, so long as they get the money they are owed.

the real advantage though is that the competition for your health care dollars will increase, and that will bring down insurance rates for the people that buy these plans. it will be like auto insurance. years ago you could only buy auto insurance from companies in your state, and insurance rates were very high. but when auto insurance was allowed to be sold across state lines, rate fells dramatically because there wasa huge increase in competition. for instance years ago here in arizona, you could pretty much only get auto insurance from state farm farmers, and allstate. now you can also get insurance from gieco, the general, liberty mutual, among others. so what was once a market for three or four companies, is now a market for more than ten companies that i can think of off hand.

the same things would happen with health insurance as well.
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