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Originally Posted by Objective Detective
Who do the trade unions work for mainly? Corporations. And they stifle out completion for the jobs. Again, they were probably called for at one time, but now operate like monopolies and rackets in many respects. They may still have their place but are in no way free from scrutiny nor should they be.
You call the corporation 'The well equipped platoon' but fail to see or acknowledge that is what the unions themselves became in many ways, the cronies for corporations. Have you watched 'On the Waterfront'? Is that corporate propaganda?
Every company and person should be able to compete for the same jobs. Unions do not always let that happen obviously.
Such sad threads, always defending the rich, no matter how much money they take out of your own pocket. No one is punishing the rich, and that is the problem. When the banks failed, who bailed them out? The poor and just about everyone who was not in the top top 1%. If anything, the top richest ppl in the country are making out pretty damn good. They essentially control this country.
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Originally Posted by T0103E
That's the thing. It's already even. They created the business and the wealth in the first place, and are now offering people some of that wealth as payment for helping them with the more menial work.
I think many people like to believe that they're owed more from the rich simply for existing, (Not all, obviously) and it doesn't help when that narrative is pushed by those with a political agenda.
No. They are not offering anything but the subsistence salary they live on. Rather they are exploiting people while they hoard billions for themselves.
I definitely favour helping the working class (of which I am a part) but I'm also not envious of the wealthy or successful. If anything, I'd like to see progress made toward class/name blind job applications. I've had a hard time finding work in my field in the US (whereas I've had a much easier time overseas).
Such sad threads, always defending the rich, no matter how much money they take out of your own pocket. No one is punishing the rich, and that is the problem. When the banks failed, who bailed them out? The poor and just about everyone who was not in the top top 1%. If anything, the top richest ppl in the country are making out pretty damn good. They essentially control this country.
No. They are not offering anything but the subsistence salary they live on. Rather they are exploiting people while they hoard billions for themselves.
I do believe that if taxes are involved, everyone should benefit. I think this will make the language clearer and more accessible. If a rich person can benefit from a loss, I want to see how and why. Trying to figure out ways to tax only the rich seems to have created loopholes and other opportunities to interpret taxes in creative ways. That's what rich do, find a way to work around it. It's what I would do.
As has been show to you, the poor are frivolously wasting billions of dollars of tax payer money on non- essentials.
Fix that instead of sticking your hand out again.
Most poor just waste money (soda, drugs and gambling) when you give it to them, which proves they are not poor in the first place.
You continue to pretend the money for welfare just magically appears out of thin air. It doesn't. It's taken from anyone paying more than their fair share of tax and given to the poor so they can make themselves sick. They do not use it to better themselves or build a ladder out of their financial situation.
So more poor bashing and no concrete examples? Par for the course.
But you have completely failed in providing examples where an even more callous dog-eat-dog style society as seen in Latin America actually is beneficial for the poor.
Right. Its just more poor bashing without a lick of empirical evidence on their side.
I think you're attempting to compare our welfare system to that of some European countries. You have probably gone to Europe and thought there weren't any poor people in your view in the inner cities. Well, I'll tell you, there are many more poor people in Europe than there are in the US. The only difference is the way they are measured. Poor people in Europe have much less of a chance of getting ahead than the so called poor in America.
The topic title is help the poor or punish the rich. Those programs exist already, why do you want to punish the rich? Or give even more to the poor, that can't seem to get our of their own way.
Not to the extent they should...
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