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Old 12-07-2017, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Pixley
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It benefits America HOW? Or, is 'America First' just another line of BS from the White House?
'America First' and isolationism is what the US practiced until this day 76 years, 4 hours and 35 minutes ago.

 
Old 12-07-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Redd Jedd View Post
'America First' and isolationism is what the US practiced until this day 76 years, 4 hours and 35 minutes ago.
LOL!

Recognizing Jerusalem has nothing to do with Pearl Harbor.

But I have come to realize that most arguments against Trump fall into this sort of category. i.e. Still mad about the election.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 09:40 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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So who really benefits from that other than Israel? What is Palestine really gonna do about. Israel is more powerful anyways.
Trump supporters. Specifically those who believe the apocalyptic fiction written by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B Jenkins.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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Yep, heaven forbid someone upsets the apple cart that's worked oh-so-well for the last 30 years and kept the region soooo peaceful...
There are many levels of peace and many levels of war/conflict...

The Israeli/Palestinian problem has been an ongoing source of conflict for longer than I have been around, and most of my life the violence and terrorism born of that conflict (and collateral conflict) has had me and my family "caught in the cross fire" just like everyone else, whether we are Jewish, Palestinian or not. That's part of the problem. It's not just their problem...

Despite these many decades where peace has never really been able to see the light of day in that troubled part of the world, that we have not had a third world war is at least something I have appreciated. During all that time, however, there have been those who feel that war is at hand. Most reasonable rational people don't want that war to happen. That's why many parts of the ME have been something of a "slow burn" of conflict rather than an all out conflagration of war, like we also don't want with North Korea.

"Soooo...," before you think that "upsetting the apple cart" is a good thing rather than a bad thing, be sure to consider the consequences, because that level of peace for over the last 30 years that you rightfully express dissatisfaction about just may be the best 30 years we'll know compared to the next 30 years.

Not everyone is as cavalier about upsetting the status quo like Trump is doing when it comes to the probability of far greater escalation of violence in the region and all over the world, including for us innocents who really, essentially, have no dog in that fight other than past bad foreign policy that also hasn't helped matters any.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 09:47 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
The Faisal–Weizmann Agreement of 1919 would've worked if Britain didn't have their own agenda for the region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal...mann_Agreement
It was the British and more especially TE. Lawrence who worked with Faisal, and the agreement was very much in the spirit of the British Balfour Declaration of 1917, however the main reason for the failure of the agreement was the fact that no Arab leaders regarded cooperation with the Jews as even possible, something which was later confirmed by the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP).

T. E. Lawrence - Wikipedia

Implementing the Balfour Declaration - Magazine - Jerusalem Post

The Feisal-Weizmann Agreement Is Not What it Appears - Israel Diaries

The Otterman Empire being broken up after they sided with the Germans in WW1, a war that cost the British 1.7 million lives.

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Old 12-07-2017, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
What will it cost to erect, relocate and defend the US embassy to/ at ground zero?

How exactly will this bring peace to The Middle East?

Isralies have one of the top rated healthcare systems in the world. No one is denied healthcare, including state funded abortions. No exclusions for preexisting conditions. How much more in taxes would the Isralies have to pay to maintain their healthcare system, if they shouldered more of the cost of their own defense?
 
Old 12-07-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Who will benefit? The contractors supplying the reinforced concrete that our bunker embassy will made of. Every one and thing else will pay the price of pleasing Sheldon Adleson.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 09:58 AM
 
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I don't really see the point of having diplomatic relations with countries that won't recognize your own capital.
Well sometimes one takes what one can get! The formal recognition of USA of Jerusalem as Israel's capital is just a formal recognition of the de facto reality on the ground. Every foreign president/prime minister that visits Israel goes to Jerusalem as that is where the Israeli Parliament is located, the National Holocaust Museum (Yad Vashem which all foreign heads of state are taken to visit) as well as the main government offices.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 10:04 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Will just cause more violence from Palestinians and bolster terrorists recruiting material.
Palestinians and terrorists have been violent in the middle east for decades. That is old news.

Trump had the courage to do what is right. Bold move and both America and Israel are stronger for it.
 
Old 12-07-2017, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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That argument works both ways. No nation in the world has their embassy in Jerusalem. Why is that US must be the only country to do so at this time?
Because it is the nation's capital city.

Every other nation gets to decide where their capital city is.
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